NODE a2046ee6RE: Legality of requiring credit cards?
Blake Coverett <blake@bcdev.com>Tue, 24 Dec 1996 06:09:21 -0800 (PST)
jonathon wrote:
> Go shopping with a wad of $100.00 bills. Most stores don't
> accept them, regardless of the amount of purchase, without
> additional ID.
I bought a new PC a few months ago with just shy of $7K worth of
$100 bills. No one even blinked.
regards,
-Blake (cash is good)
NODE b5ef9635RE: Legality of requiring credit cards?
Brian Davis <bdavis@thepoint.net>Tue, 24 Dec 1996 08:16:10 -0800 (PST)
On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, Blake Coverett wrote:
> jonathon wrote:
> > Go shopping with a wad of $100.00 bills. Most stores don't
> > accept them, regardless of the amount of purchase, without
> > additional ID.
>
> I bought a new PC a few months ago with just shy of $7K worth of
> $100 bills. No one even blinked.
>
> regards,
> -Blake (cash is good)
>
Remember that if you go over 10K, the recipient is supposed to file a
form 8300 with the IRS ....
EBD
NODE 3e907ed0Re: Legality of requiring credit cards?
Dale Thorn <dthorn@gte.net>Tue, 24 Dec 1996 12:04:21 -0800 (PST)
Brian Davis wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, Blake Coverett wrote:
> > jonathon wrote:
> > > Go shopping with a wad of $100.00 bills. Most stores don't
> > > accept them, regardless of the amount of purchase, without
> > > additional ID.
> > I bought a new PC a few months ago with just shy of $7K worth of
> > $100 bills. No one even blinked.
> Remember that if you go over 10K, the recipient is supposed to file a
> form 8300 with the IRS ....
Make sure that, unless you don't mind the FBI putting an extra monitor
on you, you don't *ever* transact $10k or more at one time, or on one
purchase in smaller increments over a relatively short period of time.
I know this because one of our customers in Encino was tagged this way
in 1983. What was really hilarious was that they brought the equipment
in for us to have a look at, since we were experts on HP proprietary
gear and they weren't. (Or we were a lot cheaper than HP corp.)
NODE eb8047cdRe: Legality of requiring credit cards?
Brian Davis <bdavis@thepoint.net>Tue, 24 Dec 1996 12:29:42 -0800 (PST)
On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, Dale Thorn wrote:
> Brian Davis wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, Blake Coverett wrote:
> > > jonathon wrote:
> > > > Go shopping with a wad of $100.00 bills. Most stores don't
> > > > accept them, regardless of the amount of purchase, without
> > > > additional ID.
>
> > > I bought a new PC a few months ago with just shy of $7K worth of
> > > $100 bills. No one even blinked.
>
> > Remember that if you go over 10K, the recipient is supposed to file a
> > form 8300 with the IRS ....
>
> Make sure that, unless you don't mind the FBI putting an extra monitor
> on you, you don't *ever* transact $10k or more at one time, or on one
> purchase in smaller increments over a relatively short period of time.
Be especially carefully of structuring a $10,000+ transaction into
smaller transactions in an attempt to circumvent the reporting
requirements. Doing so ("structuring a transaction") is a felony.
I was involved in reviewing a matter for possible prosecution in my
former life. Guy wins big football pool (season long) -- total of
$27,000. He calls an *leaves a message* that he wants 3 $9,000 checks.
He gets them, goes to branch 1 of bank x and cashes one. Then to branch 2
and cashes another. Then back to branch 1 for the third.
The bank, as required, filed a Report of Suspcious Transaction.
Fortunately for him, the IRS-CID agents jumped the gun and alerted him to
the investigation (by interviewing him) before he filed his taxes for
that year. He then knew enough to report the income and pay the taxes.
We settled the matter by having the money forfeited and having a civil
monetary penalty assessment against him under the Bank Secrecy Act (the
first such penalty against an individual ever). He got credit on the
civil assessment for the money forfeited, so all he lost was his $27,000
in winnings.
Had he been better at it, he never would've been caught, IMNSHO.
EBD
> I know this because one of our customers in Encino was tagged this way
> in 1983. What was really hilarious was that they brought the equipment
> in for us to have a look at, since we were experts on HP proprietary
> gear and they weren't. (Or we were a lot cheaper than HP corp.)
>
>
NODE b222243bRE: Legality of requiring credit cards?
Dave Kinchlea <security@kinch.ark.com>Tue, 24 Dec 1996 09:45:45 -0800 (PST)
I think this is yet another difference between Canada and the USofA, I
too have used $100 bills to pay for things quite often. The only time
there has been a problem is when the amount of the purchase is less than
$20.00 (and then its only because few stores keep that much change
around).
Isn't the problem a result of the War On Drugs?
cheers, kinch