(Your Comment Here)

"Before I joined CypherPunks, I couldn't even 'spell' cocksucker.
Now,...(Your Comment Here)."

On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Toto wrote:

> "Before I joined CypherPunks, I couldn't even 'spell' cocksucker.
> Now,...(Your Comment Here)."
> 
	that is my sentiment, exactly.  at one time there was a given
    level of politeness and decorum on the list; then along comes dimitri,
    aga, lester and all his ali, and so on. it has degenerated into a
    pissing match between fools. I've never object to a little "profanity"
    for punctuation, sort of like: "well? what's the difference between
    saying 'shit' and 'buffalo chip?'" Detweiler of PC Mag was a nuisance
    and got into it with Tim (he just disappeared except an occasional
    swipe), and then there was Dr. Fred Cohen who attacled Tim on a
    regular basis (but he was easy enough to get rid of after I checked
    his credentials and exposed why he was fired from his professorship),
    and now we have Dimitri and several more who are worse. Dimitri at
    least has some good information and arguments.

	you know, I've always given Tim a little slack on his occasionally
    over-biased opinions, but...  maybe Tim is the problem; he just seems
    to bring out the 'best' in people like Dimitri and now the list has
    turned into a free-for-all of the outrageously obscene.

	then you wonder why I create sig lines like:

__________________________________________________________________________
    go not unto usenet for advice, for the inhabitants thereof will say:
      yes, and no, and maybe, and I don't know, and fuck-off.
_________________________________________________________________ attila__

    To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches....
_________________________________________________________________ attila__

attila wrote:
>     swipe), and then there was Dr. Fred Cohen who attacled Tim on a
>     regular basis (but he was easy enough to get rid of after I checked
>     his credentials and exposed why he was fired from his professorship),
> 

Why was Dr. Cohen fired from his professorship?

	- Igor.

ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes:

> attila wrote:
> >     swipe), and then there was Dr. Fred Cohen who attacled Tim on a
> >     regular basis (but he was easy enough to get rid of after I checked
> >     his credentials and exposed why he was fired from his professorship),
> >
>
> Why was Dr. Cohen fired from his professorship?

John Gilmore is a very vindictive persons and will go to extreme length
to punish his "enemies".

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
> ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes:
> 
> > attila wrote:
> > >     swipe), and then there was Dr. Fred Cohen who attacled Tim on a
> > >     regular basis (but he was easy enough to get rid of after I checked
> > >     his credentials and exposed why he was fired from his professorship),
> > >
> > Why was Dr. Cohen fired from his professorship?
> 
> John Gilmore is a very vindictive persons and will go to extreme length
> to punish his "enemies".

	So Dr. Cohen did not have tenure? Or is that irrelevant??
	 
n.oksas
> 
> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
> Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
>

attila wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Toto wrote:
> > "Before I joined CypherPunks, I couldn't even 'spell' cocksucker.
> > Now,...(Your Comment Here)."

> To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches....

I don't think you're gonna find it here.

My former girlfriend used to say "What's white and 10 inches long?"
(answer: nothing)

At 7:41 AM +0000 1/5/97, attila wrote:
...
>    swipe), and then there was Dr. Fred Cohen who attacled Tim on a
>    regular basis (but he was easy enough to get rid of after I checked
>    his credentials and exposed why he was fired from his professorship),
>    and now we have Dimitri and several more who are worse. Dimitri at
>    least has some good information and arguments.
>
>	you know, I've always given Tim a little slack on his occasionally
>    over-biased opinions, but...  maybe Tim is the problem; he just seems
>    to bring out the 'best' in people like Dimitri and now the list has
>    turned into a free-for-all of the outrageously obscene.

Fatuous nonsense.

Blaming me for the spewings of Detweiler and Vulis is bad enough, but
claiming that Dr. Fred Cohen was in a battle with me, or Aga is in a battle
with me, is absolute fabrication. I don't recall many interactions, if any,
with Fred Cohen, and "aga" goes straight into my trash can. Attila did not
mention David Sternlight, and recall that Sternlight and I did not get into
any flames, either. Nor did he mention Phill Hallam-Baker, with whom I have
also had no flames. In fact, I haven't been a party to many of the flames,
at least not as a poster. Not with Hallam-Baker, not with Cohen, not with
Sternlight...in each case, many others were involved in extensive flames.

This leaves Detweiler and Vulis. The archives contain the truth on why
these guys fixated on me as the object of their frustrations with the list,
should anyone seek the truth.

As to why my comments bring responses, there are likelier explanations than
Attila's "maybe Tim is the problem." For one thing, I write a lot of
essays, and launch a lot of threads...this alone implies responses are
likely. For another thing, I clearly state forceful opinions...not everyone
agrees with them, and on just about any such clearly stated opinion it is
likely that at least someone will disagree strongly, denounce me as a
racist or speciesist or elitist or whatever.

Finally, for reasons I won't speculate on here, a number of folks seem to
think of me as being somwhow closely linked to the list itself (more than
just posting frequency). Thus, when they lash out at the list they fixate
on me in some way as representing the things they dislike about the list.
(The other list founders, Eric Hughes, Hugh Daniel, and John Gilmore, are
not active on the list. Recall that Detweiler focussed roughly equally on
Hughes and myself as his "tormentors," and Vulis is of course even more
fixated on Gilmore than he is on me...I'll leave it to the abnormal psych
experts to diagnose their problems.

So, Attila, still think I'm the problem?

Those who think so are invited to add me forthwith to their kill files.

--Tim May


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