Moderation

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Welp, I've been on this list for a long, long time, since its inception
way back when.  I haven't posted much, lately; mostly lurking and watching
and, occasionally giggling at the foolishness that has gone on in recent
months (i'm a sociologist by education, so watch this list as a "culture
in motion" may someday make for an interesting paper :-). Ever since the
internet was shot in the foot by a pair of lawyers selling green cards, I
was waiting for the chaos to reach this list.  It's here now. 

I have no problems with the idea of moderating this list.  If people wanna
waste my time with SPAM and petty flamewars, they shoudl do it in an
appropriate forum.  I've been here since the beginning, and continue to be
here, because I have an interest in crypto, crypto policy, and the
politics surrounding it.  Not to irk my system administrator with a daily
dose of CypherSPAM coming through her system.

And if a don't like the moderation decisions, by golly I can go somewhere
else.  Nice thing is that anybody else can as well.

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Robert A. Hayden                        hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu
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Robert A. Hayden wrote:
> Welp, I've been on this list for a long, long time, since its inception
> way back when.

[snippo]

> I've been here since the beginning, and continue to be
> here, because I have an interest in crypto, crypto policy, and the

[mo' snippo]

> And if a don't like the moderation decisions, by golly I can go somewhere
> else.  Nice thing is that anybody else can as well.

Then why the hell don't you get off your ass and just "go somewhere
else" now?  Can you believe this bozo?  Must be a Sandy tentacle.

On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> I have no problems with the idea of moderating this list.  If people wanna
> waste my time with SPAM and petty flamewars, they shoudl do it in an
> appropriate forum.  I've been here since the beginning, and continue to be
> here, because I have an interest in crypto, crypto policy, and the
> politics surrounding it.  Not to irk my system administrator with a daily
> dose of CypherSPAM coming through her system.

Erm, you mean "If people wanna waste my time with SPAM... they should NOT 
do it." :)  If they spam your email from elsewhere it is still spam.

If you don't want noise, I run a free filtered list.  To get help on it, 
send a private message (do not reply to this one, or it will be ignored 
by the bots if it comes through cypherpunks) with the >SUBJECT< "fcpunx 
help" (the body of the message is ignored.)

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Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com> writes:
> If you don't want noise, I run a free filtered list.  To get help on it,
> send a private message (do not reply to this one, or it will be ignored
> by the bots if it comes through cypherpunks) with the >SUBJECT< "fcpunx
> help" (the body of the message is ignored.)

When Ray Arachelian posts lies to this mailing list, he also forwards
them to his censored mailing list. When the victims of Arachelian's
libel refute his lies, Ray does not forward their responses to his
mailing list. Sandy liked this setup so much, he wants the whole
"cypher punks" mailing list to be censored this way.

No wonder - "cypher punks" are opposed to wide availability of crypto,
privacy, secure communications, and free speech in general. As they
keep saying, free speech should only be available to the "elite" who
will use it "responsibly" - no free speech for Jews or homophobes.

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Dimitri Vulis, spammer, racist and homophobe wrote:

> When Ray Arachelian posts lies to this mailing list, he also forwards
> them to his censored mailing list. When the victims of Arachelian's
> libel refute his lies, Ray does not forward their responses to his
> mailing list. Sandy liked this setup so much, he wants the whole
> "cypher punks" mailing list to be censored this way.

"The grapes are probably Sour" says Vileus.

Sorry Kook, your spam doesn't make it to the filtered list, though I'd 
hate to admit it, your sane posts, the ones that you write once every 
blue moon, do in fact make it on the filtered list.  You are only 
complaining because people chose to not hear your inane spam, lies, 
racism, and blatant homophobic banter.

And no, my complaints about you, which you claim are lies, do not get 
sent to the filtered list, they get sent to your ISP for their racist slants.
 
> No wonder - "cypher punks" are opposed to wide availability of crypto,
> privacy, secure communications, and free speech in general. As they
> keep saying, free speech should only be available to the "elite" who
> will use it "responsibly" - no free speech for Jews or homophobes.

Hey, if you want cypherpunks mail with spam, subscribe to 
cypherpunks@toad.com, want it without spam, subscribe to one of the 
filtered lists.  Since filtering will soon be done at toad.com, you will 
have the choice there.

Oh, of course, since you spammed the list with so much vitriol and flames,
you can't subscribe, so you'll just have to get your cypherpunks mail
under a pseudonym, or from usenet or the web archives or whatever.  Also, 
since you do not consider yourself a cypherpunk, nor are on the list 
(except to flame it), your oppinions are as useful as a steering wheel on 
a fish's tail.

As for being a Jew or a homophobe, you are welcome to be whatever it is
you like to be, even an Armenian hating racist, and you are free to
discuss your religion, ethnicity, racism, and sexual prefrences with
whomever you want in the appropriate forums - if they happen to have cyrpo
relavance, feel free to post them here, otherwise find another place to
vent your angst.  Hell, you are free to create al.fan.vulis and discuss 
yourself there! Cypherpunks is for crypto-anarchy oriented posts ONLY 
regardless of what you claim, believe or bitch.

Sorry Vulis, your lies don't fool anyone.  Don't quit your day job - if 
you have one.

=====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos==============
.+.^.+.|  Ray Arachelian    | "If  you're  gonna die,  die  with your|./|\.
..\|/..|sunder@sundernet.com|boots on;  If you're  gonna  try,  just |/\|/\
<--*-->| ------------------ |stick around; Gonna cry? Just move along|\/|\/
../|\..| "A toast to Odin,  |you're gonna die, you're gonna die!"    |.\|/.
.+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|  --Iron Maiden "Die With Your Boots on"|.....
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