If He Doesn't Like Me

On or About 30 Dec 96 at 21:32, Timothy C. May wrote:

> 
> Indeed, I added "Ross Wright" to my Eudora filter file after his
> "slap you around" message several days ago, so I was mercifully
> spared from reading
> 
> 
> As to why he got *plonked*, this is the price people pay for writing
> such things as "maybe we need to slap him around." I have more than
> 20 in my
> 
> Oh, and posting private mail is not considered acceptable behavior.
> 

What's next?  If Timmy doesn't like what I write will I be kicked off 
like the Doctor?  Wow!  From Timmy's trash bin to Kook of the Month 
FAME!!!!!  What more could I ask for?  Fuck You, Too, Timmy!  But I 
refuse to censor my own input, so I'll still have to see your fucking 
stuff.  ShitHead.  Hostile Agent!

How come it took over a year to get this far?  

Ross (Proud to be in Timmy's Filter File) Wright

=-=-=-=-=-=-
Ross Wright
King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services
http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia
Voice: 415-206-9906

gentlemen, why don't you relax: 

1) I bet that if Ross slapped Tim, he would not shoot Ross
2) I bet that Ross will not slap Tim, regardless of 1)
3) It is often easy to make a judgment about people, and hard for
   other people to change others' judgment
4) it follows from 3) that flamewars are useless

Ross Wright wrote:
> 
> On or About 30 Dec 96 at 21:32, Timothy C. May wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Indeed, I added "Ross Wright" to my Eudora filter file after his
> > "slap you around" message several days ago, so I was mercifully
> > spared from reading
> > 
> > 
> > As to why he got *plonked*, this is the price people pay for writing
> > such things as "maybe we need to slap him around." I have more than
> > 20 in my
> > 
> > Oh, and posting private mail is not considered acceptable behavior.
> > 
> 
> What's next?  If Timmy doesn't like what I write will I be kicked off 
> like the Doctor?  Wow!  From Timmy's trash bin to Kook of the Month 
> FAME!!!!!  What more could I ask for?  Fuck You, Too, Timmy!  But I 
> refuse to censor my own input, so I'll still have to see your fucking 
> stuff.  ShitHead.  Hostile Agent!
> 
> How come it took over a year to get this far?  
> 
> Ross (Proud to be in Timmy's Filter File) Wright
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-
> Ross Wright
> King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services
> http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia
> Voice: 415-206-9906
> 



	- Igor.

At 1:45 AM -0600 12/31/96, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
>gentlemen, why don't you relax:

Igor, such advice to "why don't you relax" is unwanted. I did not post my
mail to Ross Wright, while he has posted not only my private mail to him,
but has also written half a dozen other of us his " Fuck You, Too, Timmy! "
messages (I'm now looking at this creep's stuff before emptying my trash,
to see what this twit is up to).

Your message is the equivalent of that brain-damaged ebonite's "Why can't
we all just get along?"

--Tim May


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Timothy C. May wrote:
> 
> Your message is the equivalent of that brain-damaged ebonite's "Why can't
> we all just get along?"

Tim,
  Have you 'coined a phrase' here?
  Perhaps future generations, reading of the exploits of the 'Ebonites', 
will recognize your contribution to the language.

Toto

Toto <toto@sk.sympatico.ca> writes:

> Timothy C. May wrote:
> >
> > Your message is the equivalent of that brain-damaged ebonite's "Why can't
> > we all just get along?"
>
> Tim,
>   Have you 'coined a phrase' here?
>   Perhaps future generations, reading of the exploits of the 'Ebonites',
> will recognize your contribution to the language.

Have you seen _Mars Attacks_ where Jack Nicholson, playing the president,
says just that?

have you noticed that a lot of recent popular movies either portray the
U.S.G. as a bunch of crooks and criminals, or make fun of killing them
all (e.g. Mars Attacks). This would have been unthinkable 20 years ago.

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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In <219sZD42w165w@bwalk.dm.com>, on 12/31/96 
   at 11:59 AM, dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) said:

::> Timothy C. May wrote:
::> >
::> > Your message is the equivalent of that brain-damaged ebonite's 
::> > "Why can't we all just get along?"
::>
::> Tim,
::>   Have you 'coined a phrase' here?
::>   Perhaps future generations, reading of the exploits of the 
::>  'Ebonites', will recognize your contribution to the language.
::>   Have you seen _Mars Attacks_ where Jack Nicholson, playing the 
::>   president, says just that?

::have you noticed that a lot of recent popular movies either portray 
::the U.S.G. as a bunch of crooks and criminals, or make fun of killing 
::them all (e.g. Mars Attacks). This would have been unthinkable 20 
::years ago.

        20 years ago, the Vietnam protests were just dying down. the 
    movie industry which has been one of the more vocal anti-war 
    centers (except in making violent war movies which make money) was 
    still somewhat respectful of the USG.  

        Other than the liberals who give Bubba a birthday party 
    --probably more for their own publicity (except Barbra), most 
    everybody is getting fed up with the government and beginning to 
    realize the USG not only over governs, but the public is also 
    beginning to understand the usurpation of power, and the basic 
    unconstitutionality of the regulatory agencies.  

        Utah is as good an example as any; they have never been 
    Fed supportive (even if it was Republican), but the church mandate 
    is to support the government --however, they are quickly swinging 
    to a large majority which not only does not like the Federal 
    government, but who are also actively stating the government is 
    illegal--  and the church is silent.

        The other Intermountain states have been just plain independent 
    minded, but tolerated the Feds. Not any more.  Idaho and eastern 
    Washington are not a safe place for the Feds.  Montana makes no 
    bones about it; Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico are vocal. And AZ 
    is as pissed as they come over the MJ pronouncement "--what do you 
    mean the Feds are telling us our vote is worthless and our States' 
    Rights don't mean pig shit."  Nobody particularly cares about the 
    MJ, it's the pure and simple emphasis on States' Rights and the 
    Voters' Rights to self-determination and the 10th Amendment.

        Analysis of California attitudes is even more revealing; the 
    statement the DEA would pull prescription permits from doctors 
    prescribing maryjane in AZ and CA has stirred a firestorm which 
    will only get larger.  

            The people spoke and the Feds said: "Fuck You!"

        The question then is, how long before the Eastern whimps and 
    liberal tit suckers wake up and realize they too are about to lose 
    the option of being liberal tit suckers?

        Of all things, MJ may be the last straw (going up in smoke 
    <g>); now, if the press will get off their sensationalism on the 
    CDA and talk about what it is we are really fighting --free speech 
    as a whole, Thomas Jefferson might wake up one day soon and say: 
    "Alright!  but it took you stupid bastards more than the 20 years 
    to have a little revolution to teach Washington who the government 
    serves!"

        Maybe Bubba needs a little more cocaine so he gets "brave" 
    enough to call in UN troops to quell a riot...   then WE watch the 
    fun. Some of you sissies might even lift your hardware and watch 
    your first melon explode.  After the first one, it's easy.

        For the first time a civilized nation has full gun         
        registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more 
        efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the 
        future.
                    --Adolf Hitler (1935)

    Is Adolf's future here again?
      
        46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, 
        sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting 
        firearms.  ...Consider the following statement:

            I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist 
            confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.

                --The USMC Combat Arms Survey

    The same survey had questions of obeying commands from UN officers, 
    and obeying commands from UN officers on US territory, and against 
    US citizens.  Anybody who wants a copy of the whole survey, send 
    me email.  

        This was not somebody's master thesis; on some special     
    operations bases it was given by a major, others a light bird, etc.
    all SEALS and USMC spec-op groups were given the "test"  --the 
    younger men were >85% compliant; the reuppers and lifers were real 
    low on compliance (~15%).  Our PC and revisionist history has built 
    the generation they want: functionally illiterate "world-oriented" 
    cannon fodder.

        stop your incessent nattering and do something constructive.


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"Attila T. Hun" <attila@primenet.com> writes:

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>
> In <219sZD42w165w@bwalk.dm.com>, on 12/31/96
>    at 11:59 AM, dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) said:
>
> ::> Timothy C. May wrote:
> ::> >
> ::> > Your message is the equivalent of that brain-damaged ebonite's
> ::> > "Why can't we all just get along?"
> ::>
> ::> Tim,
> ::>   Have you 'coined a phrase' here?
> ::>   Perhaps future generations, reading of the exploits of the
> ::>  'Ebonites', will recognize your contribution to the language.
> ::>   Have you seen _Mars Attacks_ where Jack Nicholson, playing the
> ::>   president, says just that?
>
> ::have you noticed that a lot of recent popular movies either portray
> ::the U.S.G. as a bunch of crooks and criminals, or make fun of killing
> ::them all (e.g. Mars Attacks). This would have been unthinkable 20
> ::years ago.
>
>         20 years ago, the Vietnam protests were just dying down. the
>     movie industry which has been one of the more vocal anti-war
>     centers (except in making violent war movies which make money) was
>     still somewhat respectful of the USG.

Was the media industry really anti-war, or just anti-Nixon? When Lyndon
Johnson sent the troops to 'Nam, the media first supported him. When Nixon got
elected, against the media's wishes, the media attacked him over everything he
was doing, including the war, just like they attacked Reagan and Bush. I'm
usure if Nixon had pulled out completely in '69, the media would have been
pro-war. They're whores, like Declan McCulough.

Bombing the hell out of North Viet Nam targets was evil, but effective. But:
compare the way USD is portrayed in _Apocalypse Now & _Deer Hunter (a
monolythic machine servings some sinister purpose and killing the natives;
white people are safe; the rogue gets terminated by USG itself) with the way
it's portrayed in _Rambo and _Red Dawn (gubmint abandons the pow's*, abandons
the locals; useless, but barely evil, and it's not clear how far up the evil
goes) and with the way it's been portrayed in this year's movies: _Courage
Under Fire (a bunch of criminals trying to cover up their fuckup, all the way
to the top); _Ransom (the main villain is a NYC cop, other cops are useless;
it's not Federales, but close enough); _Eraser ("rogue" WitSec, the cops are
the enemies); _Professional (the top villain works for the DEA). Pop movies
reflect the attitudes of the audience they're made for.

Dr. Grubor is a Viet Nam vet. I have great respect for him.

*) Klinton's being paid by the Indonesians to "normalize" relation with VC,
incorporated by reference.

>         Other than the liberals who give Bubba a birthday party
>     --probably more for their own publicity (except Barbra), most
>     everybody is getting fed up with the government and beginning to
>     realize the USG not only over governs, but the public is also
>     beginning to understand the usurpation of power, and the basic
>     unconstitutionality of the regulatory agencies.
>
>         Utah is as good an example as any; they have never been
>     Fed supportive (even if it was Republican), but the church mandate
>     is to support the government --however, they are quickly swinging
>     to a large majority which not only does not like the Federal
>     government, but who are also actively stating the government is
>     illegal--  and the church is silent.
>
>         The other Intermountain states have been just plain independent
>     minded, but tolerated the Feds. Not any more.  Idaho and eastern
>     Washington are not a safe place for the Feds.  Montana makes no
>     bones about it; Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico are vocal. And AZ
>     is as pissed as they come over the MJ pronouncement "--what do you
>     mean the Feds are telling us our vote is worthless and our States'
>     Rights don't mean pig shit."  Nobody particularly cares about the
>     MJ, it's the pure and simple emphasis on States' Rights and the
>     Voters' Rights to self-determination and the 10th Amendment.
>
>         Analysis of California attitudes is even more revealing; the
>     statement the DEA would pull prescription permits from doctors
>     prescribing maryjane in AZ and CA has stirred a firestorm which
>     will only get larger.

Is that why the criminal Usenet Cabal is interfering with the propagation
of sci.med.cannabis and other MJ-related Usenet newsgroups?

>             The people spoke and the Feds said: "Fuck You!"
>
>         The question then is, how long before the Eastern whimps and
>     liberal tit suckers wake up and realize they too are about to lose
>     the option of being liberal tit suckers?
>
>         Of all things, MJ may be the last straw (going up in smoke
>     <g>); now, if the press will get off their sensationalism on the
>     CDA and talk about what it is we are really fighting --free speech
>     as a whole, Thomas Jefferson might wake up one day soon and say:
>     "Alright!  but it took you stupid bastards more than the 20 years
>     to have a little revolution to teach Washington who the government
>     serves!"

I have little regard for Thomas Jefferson and rest of the "founding fathers"
gang. Their revolution replaced one bunch of oppressors with another; no
wonder it was followed by Shay's (sp?) Rebellion (whose farmer leaders were
sentenced to hang for treason; later commuted); and Alien and Sedition Acts.

>         Maybe Bubba needs a little more cocaine so he gets "brave"
>     enough to call in UN troops to quell a riot...   then WE watch the
>     fun. Some of you sissies might even lift your hardware and watch
>     your first melon explode.  After the first one, it's easy.
>
>         For the first time a civilized nation has full gun
>         registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more
>         efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the
>         future.
>                     --Adolf Hitler (1935)
>
>     Is Adolf's future here again?

I had a great-grandfather named Adolf.  The Communists killed him.

>         46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession,
>         sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting
>         firearms.  ...Consider the following statement:
>
>             I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist
>             confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.
>
>                 --The USMC Combat Arms Survey
>
>     The same survey had questions of obeying commands from UN officers,
>     and obeying commands from UN officers on US territory, and against
>     US citizens.  Anybody who wants a copy of the whole survey, send
>     me email.
>
>         This was not somebody's master thesis; on some special
>     operations bases it was given by a major, others a light bird, etc.
>     all SEALS and USMC spec-op groups were given the "test"  --the
>     younger men were >85% compliant; the reuppers and lifers were real
>     low on compliance (~15%).  Our PC and revisionist history has built
>     the generation they want: functionally illiterate "world-oriented"
>     cannon fodder.

How does one brainwash a brainless "cypher punk"?

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

The solution to world peace?
  We KILL all of the 'violent' people.
  (Thank you. Just put my Nobel Peace Prize in the mail.)

Toto

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
> 
> "Attila T. Hun" <attila@primenet.com> writes:
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
> > In <219sZD42w165w@bwalk.dm.com>, on 12/31/96
> >    at 11:59 AM, dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) said:
> >
> > ::> Timothy C. May wrote:
> > ::> >
> > ::> > Your message is the equivalent of that brain-damaged ebonite's
> > ::> > "Why can't we all just get along?"
> > ::>
> > ::> Tim,
> > ::>   Have you 'coined a phrase' here?
> > ::>   Perhaps future generations, reading of the exploits of the
> > ::>  'Ebonites', will recognize your contribution to the language.
> > ::>   Have you seen _Mars Attacks_ where Jack Nicholson, playing the
> > ::>   president, says just that?
> >
> > ::have you noticed that a lot of recent popular movies either portray
> > ::the U.S.G. as a bunch of crooks and criminals, or make fun of killing
> > ::them all (e.g. Mars Attacks). This would have been unthinkable 20
> > ::years ago.
> >
> >         20 years ago, the Vietnam protests were just dying down. the
> >     movie industry which has been one of the more vocal anti-war
> >     centers (except in making violent war movies which make money) was
> >     still somewhat respectful of the USG.
> 
> Was the media industry really anti-war, or just anti-Nixon? When Lyndon
> Johnson sent the troops to 'Nam, the media first supported him. When Nixon got
> elected, against the media's wishes, the media attacked him over everything he
> was doing, including the war, just like they attacked Reagan and Bush. I'm
> usure if Nixon had pulled out completely in '69, the media would have been
> pro-war. They're whores, like Declan McCulough.
> 
> Bombing the hell out of North Viet Nam targets was evil, but effective. But:
> compare the way USD is portrayed in _Apocalypse Now & _Deer Hunter (a
> monolythic machine servings some sinister purpose and killing the natives;
> white people are safe; the rogue gets terminated by USG itself) with the way
> it's portrayed in _Rambo and _Red Dawn (gubmint abandons the pow's*, abandons
> the locals; useless, but barely evil, and it's not clear how far up the evil
> goes) and with the way it's been portrayed in this year's movies: _Courage
> Under Fire (a bunch of criminals trying to cover up their fuckup, all the way
> to the top); _Ransom (the main villain is a NYC cop, other cops are useless;
> it's not Federales, but close enough); _Eraser ("rogue" WitSec, the cops are
> the enemies); _Professional (the top villain works for the DEA). Pop movies
> reflect the attitudes of the audience they're made for.
> 
> Dr. Grubor is a Viet Nam vet. I have great respect for him.
> 
> *) Klinton's being paid by the Indonesians to "normalize" relation with VC,
> incorporated by reference.
> 
> >         Other than the liberals who give Bubba a birthday party
> >     --probably more for their own publicity (except Barbra), most
> >     everybody is getting fed up with the government and beginning to
> >     realize the USG not only over governs, but the public is also
> >     beginning to understand the usurpation of power, and the basic
> >     unconstitutionality of the regulatory agencies.
> >
> >         Utah is as good an example as any; they have never been
> >     Fed supportive (even if it was Republican), but the church mandate
> >     is to support the government --however, they are quickly swinging
> >     to a large majority which not only does not like the Federal
> >     government, but who are also actively stating the government is
> >     illegal--  and the church is silent.
> >
> >         The other Intermountain states have been just plain independent
> >     minded, but tolerated the Feds. Not any more.  Idaho and eastern
> >     Washington are not a safe place for the Feds.  Montana makes no
> >     bones about it; Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico are vocal. And AZ
> >     is as pissed as they come over the MJ pronouncement "--what do you
> >     mean the Feds are telling us our vote is worthless and our States'
> >     Rights don't mean pig shit."  Nobody particularly cares about the
> >     MJ, it's the pure and simple emphasis on States' Rights and the
> >     Voters' Rights to self-determination and the 10th Amendment.
> >
> >         Analysis of California attitudes is even more revealing; the
> >     statement the DEA would pull prescription permits from doctors
> >     prescribing maryjane in AZ and CA has stirred a firestorm which
> >     will only get larger.
> 
> Is that why the criminal Usenet Cabal is interfering with the propagation
> of sci.med.cannabis and other MJ-related Usenet newsgroups?
> 
> >             The people spoke and the Feds said: "Fuck You!"
> >
> >         The question then is, how long before the Eastern whimps and
> >     liberal tit suckers wake up and realize they too are about to lose
> >     the option of being liberal tit suckers?
> >
> >         Of all things, MJ may be the last straw (going up in smoke
> >     <g>); now, if the press will get off their sensationalism on the
> >     CDA and talk about what it is we are really fighting --free speech
> >     as a whole, Thomas Jefferson might wake up one day soon and say:
> >     "Alright!  but it took you stupid bastards more than the 20 years
> >     to have a little revolution to teach Washington who the government
> >     serves!"
> 
> I have little regard for Thomas Jefferson and rest of the "founding fathers"
> gang. Their revolution replaced one bunch of oppressors with another; no
> wonder it was followed by Shay's (sp?) Rebellion (whose farmer leaders were
> sentenced to hang for treason; later commuted); and Alien and Sedition Acts.
> 
> >         Maybe Bubba needs a little more cocaine so he gets "brave"
> >     enough to call in UN troops to quell a riot...   then WE watch the
> >     fun. Some of you sissies might even lift your hardware and watch
> >     your first melon explode.  After the first one, it's easy.
> >
> >         For the first time a civilized nation has full gun
> >         registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more
> >         efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the
> >         future.
> >                     --Adolf Hitler (1935)
> >
> >     Is Adolf's future here again?
> 
> I had a great-grandfather named Adolf.  The Communists killed him.
> 
> >         46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession,
> >         sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting
> >         firearms.  ...Consider the following statement:
> >
> >             I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist
> >             confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.
> >
> >                 --The USMC Combat Arms Survey
> >
> >     The same survey had questions of obeying commands from UN officers,
> >     and obeying commands from UN officers on US territory, and against
> >     US citizens.  Anybody who wants a copy of the whole survey, send
> >     me email.
> >
> >         This was not somebody's master thesis; on some special
> >     operations bases it was given by a major, others a light bird, etc.
> >     all SEALS and USMC spec-op groups were given the "test"  --the
> >     younger men were >85% compliant; the reuppers and lifers were real
> >     low on compliance (~15%).  Our PC and revisionist history has built
> >     the generation they want: functionally illiterate "world-oriented"
> >     cannon fodder.
> 
> How does one brainwash a brainless "cypher punk"?
> 
> ---
> 
> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
> Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:

> "Attila T. Hun" <attila@primenet.com> writes:
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
> > In <219sZD42w165w@bwalk.dm.com>, on 12/31/96
> >    at 11:59 AM, dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) said:
> >
> > ::> Timothy C. May wrote:
> > ::> >
> > ::> > Your message is the equivalent of that brain-damaged ebonite's
> > ::> > "Why can't we all just get along?"
> > ::>
> > ::> Tim,
> > ::>   Have you 'coined a phrase' here?
> > ::>   Perhaps future generations, reading of the exploits of the
> > ::>  'Ebonites', will recognize your contribution to the language.
> > ::>   Have you seen _Mars Attacks_ where Jack Nicholson, playing the
> > ::>   president, says just that?
> >
> > ::have you noticed that a lot of recent popular movies either portray
> > ::the U.S.G. as a bunch of crooks and criminals, or make fun of killing
> > ::them all (e.g. Mars Attacks). This would have been unthinkable 20
> > ::years ago.
> >
> >         20 years ago, the Vietnam protests were just dying down. the
> >     movie industry which has been one of the more vocal anti-war
> >     centers (except in making violent war movies which make money) was
> >     still somewhat respectful of the USG.
> 
> Was the media industry really anti-war, or just anti-Nixon? When Lyndon
> Johnson sent the troops to 'Nam, the media first supported him. When Nixon got
> elected, against the media's wishes, the media attacked him over everything he
> was doing, including the war, just like they attacked Reagan and Bush. I'm
> usure if Nixon had pulled out completely in '69, the media would have been
> pro-war. They're whores, like Declan McCulough.
> 
> Bombing the hell out of North Viet Nam targets was evil, but effective. But:
> compare the way USD is portrayed in _Apocalypse Now & _Deer Hunter (a
> monolythic machine servings some sinister purpose and killing the natives;
> white people are safe; the rogue gets terminated by USG itself) with the way
> it's portrayed in _Rambo and _Red Dawn (gubmint abandons the pow's*, abandons
> the locals; useless, but barely evil, and it's not clear how far up the evil
> goes) and with the way it's been portrayed in this year's movies: _Courage
> Under Fire (a bunch of criminals trying to cover up their fuckup, all the way
> to the top); _Ransom (the main villain is a NYC cop, other cops are useless;
> it's not Federales, but close enough); _Eraser ("rogue" WitSec, the cops are
> the enemies); _Professional (the top villain works for the DEA). Pop movies
> reflect the attitudes of the audience they're made for.

And none of those movies were anywhere near the real thing.

> 
> Dr. Grubor is a Viet Nam vet. I have great respect for him.
> 
> *) Klinton's being paid by the Indonesians to "normalize" relation with VC,
> incorporated by reference.
> 
> >         Other than the liberals who give Bubba a birthday party
> >     --probably more for their own publicity (except Barbra), most
> >     everybody is getting fed up with the government and beginning to
> >     realize the USG not only over governs, but the public is also
> >     beginning to understand the usurpation of power, and the basic
> >     unconstitutionality of the regulatory agencies.
> >
> >         Utah is as good an example as any; they have never been
> >     Fed supportive (even if it was Republican), but the church mandate
> >     is to support the government --however, they are quickly swinging
> >     to a large majority which not only does not like the Federal
> >     government, but who are also actively stating the government is
> >     illegal--  and the church is silent.
> >
> >         The other Intermountain states have been just plain independent
> >     minded, but tolerated the Feds. Not any more.  Idaho and eastern
> >     Washington are not a safe place for the Feds.  Montana makes no
> >     bones about it; Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico are vocal. And AZ
> >     is as pissed as they come over the MJ pronouncement "--what do you
> >     mean the Feds are telling us our vote is worthless and our States'
> >     Rights don't mean pig shit."  Nobody particularly cares about the
> >     MJ, it's the pure and simple emphasis on States' Rights and the
> >     Voters' Rights to self-determination and the 10th Amendment.
> >

That is correct, and the Feds are going to get their asses kicked in
Court when they try to prosecute any Medical Doctors. The States have
the right to grant medical licenses, and the Feds have nothing they
should be involved with at all.

> >         Analysis of California attitudes is even more revealing; the
> >     statement the DEA would pull prescription permits from doctors
> >     prescribing maryjane in AZ and CA has stirred a firestorm which
> >     will only get larger.
> 
> Is that why the criminal Usenet Cabal is interfering with the propagation
> of sci.med.cannabis and other MJ-related Usenet newsgroups?
> 

Yes, that is probably so.

And now the cabal is trying to interfere with the new
misc.legal.criminal newsgroup for medical cannabis
discussions.  There is a big class action lawsuit now
being prepared by that Philadelphia Lawyer right now.

> >             The people spoke and the Feds said: "Fuck You!"
> >
> >         The question then is, how long before the Eastern whimps and
> >     liberal tit suckers wake up and realize they too are about to lose
> >     the option of being liberal tit suckers?
> >

We must realize that things like gun laws and drug laws and medical
licensing, etc. are PURELY under the Jurisdiction of the States, and
that the Feds must keep their fucking noses out of State business.

> >         Of all things, MJ may be the last straw (going up in smoke
> >     <g>); now, if the press will get off their sensationalism on the
> >     CDA and talk about what it is we are really fighting --free speech
> >     as a whole, Thomas Jefferson might wake up one day soon and say:
> >     "Alright!  but it took you stupid bastards more than the 20 years
> >     to have a little revolution to teach Washington who the government
> >     serves!"
> 
> I have little regard for Thomas Jefferson and rest of the "founding fathers"
> gang. Their revolution replaced one bunch of oppressors with another; no
> wonder it was followed by Shay's (sp?) Rebellion (whose farmer leaders were
> sentenced to hang for treason; later commuted); and Alien and Sedition Acts.
> 
> >         Maybe Bubba needs a little more cocaine so he gets "brave"
> >     enough to call in UN troops to quell a riot...   then WE watch the
> >     fun. Some of you sissies might even lift your hardware and watch
> >     your first melon explode.  After the first one, it's easy.
> >
> >         For the first time a civilized nation has full gun
> >         registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more
> >         efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the
> >         future.
> >                     --Adolf Hitler (1935)
> >
> >     Is Adolf's future here again?
> 
> I had a great-grandfather named Adolf.  The Communists killed him.
> 
> >         46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession,
> >         sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting
> >         firearms.  ...Consider the following statement:
> >
> >             I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist
> >             confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.
> >
> >                 --The USMC Combat Arms Survey
> >

And this guy would end up dead.  The VFW and the American Legion
have more firearms than he does, and the only way you will take my
guns away is to kill all of us first.

> >     The same survey had questions of obeying commands from UN officers,
> >     and obeying commands from UN officers on US territory, and against
> >     US citizens.  Anybody who wants a copy of the whole survey, send
> >     me email.
> >
> >         This was not somebody's master thesis; on some special
> >     operations bases it was given by a major, others a light bird, etc.
> >     all SEALS and USMC spec-op groups were given the "test"  --the
> >     younger men were >85% compliant; the reuppers and lifers were real
> >     low on compliance (~15%).  Our PC and revisionist history has built
> >     the generation they want: functionally illiterate "world-oriented"
> >     cannon fodder.
> 
> How does one brainwash a brainless "cypher punk"?
> 
> ---
> 
> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
> Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
>

>             The people spoke and the Feds said: "Fuck You!"

  Bend over and vote.

The Flamemeister said:
> "Attila T. Hun" <attila@primenet.com> writes:
>>         20 years ago, the Vietnam protests were just dying down. the
>>     movie industry which has been one of the more vocal anti-war
>>     centers (except in making violent war movies which make money) was
>>     still somewhat respectful of the USG.
>Was the media industry really anti-war, or just anti-Nixon? When Lyndon
>Johnson sent the troops to 'Nam, the media first supported him. When Nixon got
>elected, against the media's wishes, the media attacked him over everything he
>was doing, including the war, just like they attacked Reagan and Bush. I'm
>usure if Nixon had pulled out completely in '69, the media would have been
>pro-war. They're whores, like Declan McCulough.

     The movie industry is not the same thing as the media. Observe the 
following:
          -------------------------------------------------
         |                                                 |
         | Media               ______________              |
         |                    |movie         |             |
         |                    |     industry |             |
         |                    |______________|             |
         |_________________________________________________|
 


> Dr. Grubor is a Viet Nam vet. I have great respect for him.

     What did he do there? Media Relations? That would explain a lot of things.

snow <snow@smoke.suba.com> writes:

> > "Attila T. Hun" <attila@primenet.com> writes:
> >>         20 years ago, the Vietnam protests were just dying down. the
> >>     movie industry which has been one of the more vocal anti-war
> >>     centers (except in making violent war movies which make money) was
> >>     still somewhat respectful of the USG.
> >Was the media industry really anti-war, or just anti-Nixon? When Lyndon
> >Johnson sent the troops to 'Nam, the media first supported him. When Nixon g
> >elected, against the media's wishes, the media attacked him over everything
> >was doing, including the war, just like they attacked Reagan and Bush. I'm
> >usure if Nixon had pulled out completely in '69, the media would have been
> >pro-war. They're whores, like Declan McCulough.
>
>      The movie industry is not the same thing as the media. Observe the
> following:
>           -------------------------------------------------
>          |                                                 |
>          | Media               ______________              |
>          |                    |movie         |             |
>          |                    |     industry |             |
>          |                    |______________|             |
>          |_________________________________________________|

Nice ASCII art, Pedro.

Are you the one contributing the 2 ASCII pictures of Timmy Mayonaise / day?

Here's a Simpsons picture for you:

       |\/\/\/|
       |      |
       |      |
       | (o)(o)
       C      _)
        | ,___|
        |___/
       /    \
      /      \     .  .  .
     |  |     |  ._|\/ \/ \--.
     |  |     |   \         /
     |__|-----|    (o)(o)  <_.
     UUUU     |____C        /
        \      ____)--(     \
         |   ()()   \____/---'
         |    |    /^^^^^^\
         |    |   /     \  \


Here's another:


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            |  (o)(o)             (o)(o)(##)
            C   .---_)             C    (##)
             |  |.===|            /__,  (##)
             |   \__/             \    (#)
            /__     \              |   |
           /   \     \             ooooo
           |    |     \           _/   \_
           |    |     \         /'       `\
           (    \       \      /  /  /     \
            \    \       \   /  /`\_`\_ )\  >
            / \   \       )/  /   (     |/ /
           /    \   \     | /     |  .  ,,/
          (       \\\\`  / /      /     \
           \           /""       (  `#'  )
            \         |*         |   |   |
             (       /\ \        `   |   '
             |      |  \ \       |   |   |
             )      )   (,)       (  |  )
             |     /              |  |  |
             (    |__              | | |
              (  |___;             | | |
             (__--___;            /'/'/'
                                  "'""

Stop jerking off and look at your own picture. Try to concentrate when you read
the next paragraph.  I know it's hard for a "cypher punk" to think abstractly,
but if you try real hard, and think about it for a long time, you might get it.

THE MOVIE INDUSTRY, THE ADVERTIZING INDUSTRY, THE NEWSPAPER PUBLISHING
INDUSTRY, THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, THE MAGAZINE PUBLISHING INDUSTRY, THE BROADCAST
RADIO INDUSTRY, THE CABLE TV INDUSTRY, ETC, ARE ALL PARTS OF THE (ALWAYS HIGHLY
CONCENTRATED) MEDIA INDUSTRY. IF THE RICH MOTHERFUCKERS WHO OWN THE BIG MEDIA
COMPANIES HAPPEN TO BE PRO-MCGOVERN AND ANTI-WAR, THEN THE WHOLE MEDIA INDUSTRY
BECOMES PRO-MCGOVERN AND ANTI-WAR, AND THE PARTS OF THE WHOLE (LIKE THE MOVIE
INDUSTRY IN YOUR PICTURE ABOVE) TOO BECOME PRO-MCGOVERN AND ANTI-WAR.

Hmm...  Is it too much to expect a "cypher punk" to understand that a part of
the whole sometimes inherits some of the properties of the whole?  Probably.

> > Dr. Grubor is a Viet Nam vet. I have great respect for him.
>
> What did he do there? Media Relations? That would explain a lot of things

Dr. Grubor invented the whole Internet while in Viet Nam.
You better show some gratitude, punk.

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps