Re: ONE MILLION CHILDREN..... (fwd)

Hi all,

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> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 10:24:21 -0800
> From: Dale Thorn <dthorn@gte.net>
> 
> C'mon Gary, why would anyone want to bother with all of this crap?
> Chip implants are already in millions of pets.  It's simple, cheap,
> and there's no work for the owner.

And there are several standards which are NOT compatible. Simply putting a
chip in your pet (or child) is not sufficient to guarantee their return.
If the system at use at the pound is not compatible the chip in the pet
won't even respond and the operator has no idea of the actual situation.
This is one of the reasons many states are enacting laws regarding the sale
and transfer of pets. There was a piece on CNN just a couple of weeks ago
about this problem, one state in the central US is in the process of passing
various laws about animal trading. Seems they have a problem with people
stealing pets from peoples homes and collecting 'for free' pets and then
selling them to the medical labs at a hefty profit. Their advise was to
never give pets away, but to always charge at least $10 ea. and if leaving
pets unattended either put them inside a locked bldg. or else have your
neighbors watch them in a fenced yard.

> Thousands of humans are also implanted, i.e., Green Berets, Seals, and
> similar types, women with breast implants, and so on.  There's a move-
> ment on to implant most children, so they're not as vulnerable to kid-
> napping, etc.

Baloney. I know two SEAL's (I share an office at work with one) and I 
can verify they are NOT chiped. I also have several female friends who have
had various breast surgeries and they also are not chipped.


                                                Jim Choate
                                                CyberTects
                                                ravage@ssz.com

Jim Choate wrote:
> Forwarded message:
> > Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 10:24:21 -0800
> > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn@gte.net>
> > C'mon Gary, why would anyone want to bother with all of this crap?
> > Chip implants are already in millions of pets.  It's simple, cheap,
> > and there's no work for the owner.

> > Thousands of humans are also implanted, i.e., Green Berets, Seals, and
> > similar types, women with breast implants, and so on.  There's a move-
> > ment on to implant most children, so they're not as vulnerable to kid-
> > napping, etc.

> Baloney. I know two SEAL's (I share an office at work with one) and I
> can verify they are NOT chiped. I also have several female friends who have
> had various breast surgeries and they also are not chipped.

Well, I guess the baloney clause wins, 'cause I certainly can't verify
it.  OTOH, if an intelligence officer (i.e., Navy Seal) tells me the
sky is green and the grass is blue, I'll understand completely (wink).

The breast implant thing is supposed to be law, although again, I don't
have my hand in anyone's bra to check them out....

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In list.cypherpunks, ravage@einstein.ssz.com writes:

> Forwarded message:
>
>> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 10:24:21 -0800
>> From: Dale Thorn <dthorn@gte.net>
>> 
>> C'mon Gary, why would anyone want to bother with all of this crap?
>> Chip implants are already in millions of pets.  It's simple, cheap,
>> and there's no work for the owner.
>
> And there are several standards which are NOT compatible. Simply putting a
> chip in your pet (or child) is not sufficient to guarantee their return.

I would really like to see some statistics on the number of "lost
children" who have suffered (any given incommodation) exclusively due to
their inability to be positively linked with some True Idendity.  Most
of the English-speaking children with which I'm aquainted can answer the
question "What's your name?".
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Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
> In list.cypherpunks, ravage@einstein.ssz.com writes:
> > Forwarded message:
> >> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 10:24:21 -0800
> >> From: Dale Thorn <dthorn@gte.net>

> >> C'mon Gary, why would anyone want to bother with all of this crap?
> >> Chip implants are already in millions of pets.  It's simple, cheap,
> >> and there's no work for the owner.

> I would really like to see some statistics on the number of "lost
> children" who have suffered (any given incommodation) exclusively due to
> their inability to be positively linked with some True Idendity.  Most
> of the English-speaking children with which I'm aquainted can answer the
> question "What's your name?".

Not my point. My point is, you make sure the chips are deep enough that
they can't be removed without removing a great deal of body mass (and
probably killing the subject).  The chip also has to be monitorable
externally, so that a number of transponders or whatever positioned in
many different places can isolate each chip and ID it, much like police
do with auto licence plates.

This way, it's vastly more difficult (or impossible) to operate the
so-called white-slave rings now sponsored by various elitist groups
and protected by corrupt police authorities.