Re: Good Bye Cypherpunks!

Just for the record.  I will not post to USENET given the spamming that
seems to go to IDs that appear there.  

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bookmark my homepage, and vist every so often.

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Michael Froomkin writes:

> Just for the record.  I will not post to USENET given the spamming that
> seems to go to IDs that appear there.  

Helpful hint:  Mung your email address in a way which will confuse
bots, but not humans.  

"From: froomkin@[NO-SPAM]law.miami.edu" should work nicely.  This will
also eliminate mail from very clueless people.

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[Fairly prominent Cypherpunk I'll decline to name- I don't mean to ridicule
him personally, just his (distressingly common) attitude]

>Just for the record.  I will not post to USENET given the spamming that
>seems to go to IDs that appear there.

[chuckle]

Just add an anti-spam segment to your email address.

example:

jsmith[at]foo.com

Most people worth talking to have enough of a clue to replace [at] with @.

if your software requires an apparently valid email address, try

jsmith@NOSPAM.foo.com

I put a spam-busted address in my .sig and give root@127.0.0.1 as my email
in the from: header. Sure, somebody out there is going to be unhappy with
me, but if they have a clue they'll figure it out. Meantime, the SpamBots
are bouncing mail to the admin of the site instead of to me.

That may not be enough if you're already in the spamming lists. Try
using 'positive' filtering- instead of filtering to eliminate unwanted
mail, filter email from regular correspondents into a 'approved'
directory, and leave the rest in the inbox to pick through later.

It seems very strange that the denziens of this list, reputed to be gutsy
enough to take on the FBI, NSA, CIA, and White House, would be scared
away from a discussion forum (Usenet) by uninvited email.

We'd better hope they never figure out Cypherpunks, Guardians of
Privacy and Defenders of Free Speech, are afraid of spam.

(And supposedly the 'Moderation experiment' is over, so this won't get
kicked onto the -flames list, although it's more ridicule than flame...)

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 aaron@herringn.com wrote:

<explanation of anti-spam e-mail addresses snipped>

> I put a spam-busted address in my .sig and give root@127.0.0.1 as my email
> in the from: header. Sure, somebody out there is going to be unhappy with
> me, but if they have a clue they'll figure it out. Meantime, the SpamBots
> are bouncing mail to the admin of the site instead of to me.

<evil grin> That's *much* better than the mundane 
c.y.n.t.h.b@i.o.s.p.h.e.r.e.dot.n.e.t

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On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 aaron@herringn.com wrote:

> [Fairly prominent Cypherpunk I'll decline to name- I don't mean to ridicule
> him personally, just his (distressingly common) attitude]

Hey, I can take the heat.  But I'm afraid you missed my perhaps too-terse
point.

> >Just for the record.  I will not post to USENET given the spamming that
> >seems to go to IDs that appear there.
> 
> [chuckle]
> 
> Just add an anti-spam segment to your email address.
> 
> example:
> 
> jsmith[at]foo.com
> 

It's not that simple.  Consider:

1) I stopped learning more about new computer tools than the minimum
needed to do my work a long time ago, when I stopped programming and
started lawyering.  It wasn't an efficient use of my time.

2) Our system here has ONE email system: PINE.  It defaults my "from"
address.  There is no obvious way to override it.  I may have the
necessary tools and permissions, I may not; I don't feel like taking
whatever time it takes to figure it out.  We use PINE for usenet and
email, using the same config file.  There are other usenet tools here,
like tin, but I would have to learn them.  Again, I have no idea if I have
the permissions/tools/knowledge to alter my headers.  I am certain that I
could hack it with time enough and motivation enough.  I have neither.

3) I do other things besides talk to you with this tool.  I communicate
with students, family and others.  I want them to get my real headers.  I
don't want an elaborate switching mechanims every time I change the person
I'm speaking to.

> Most people worth talking to have enough of a clue to replace [at] with @.
> 
> if your software requires an apparently valid email address, try
> 
> jsmith@NOSPAM.foo.com
> 
> I put a spam-busted address in my .sig and give root@127.0.0.1 as my email
> in the from: header. Sure, somebody out there is going to be unhappy with
> me, but if they have a clue they'll figure it out. Meantime, the SpamBots
> are bouncing mail to the admin of the site instead of to me.
> 
> That may not be enough if you're already in the spamming lists. Try
> using 'positive' filtering- instead of filtering to eliminate unwanted
> mail, filter email from regular correspondents into a 'approved'
> directory, and leave the rest in the inbox to pick through later.
> 
> It seems very strange that the denziens of this list, reputed to be gutsy
> enough to take on the FBI, NSA, CIA, and White House, would be scared
> away from a discussion forum (Usenet) by uninvited email.
> 
> We'd better hope they never figure out Cypherpunks, Guardians of
> Privacy and Defenders of Free Speech, are afraid of spam.
> 
> (And supposedly the 'Moderation experiment' is over, so this won't get
> kicked onto the -flames list, although it's more ridicule than flame...)
> 
> 
> 
> 

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A. Michael Froomkin        | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax)
Associate Professor of Law |
U. Miami School of Law     | froomkin@law.miami.edu
P.O. Box 248087            | http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin
Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | It's warm here.

Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
| Just for the record.  I will not post to USENET given the spamming that
| seems to go to IDs that appear there.  

	Your postings appear on the web, as part of the cypherpunks
archives at infinity.nus.sg.

http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/0089.html

	There seem to be robots that search the web; I've never even
read usenet from this account, and I get spam.

Adam


-- 
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
					               -Hume

Yes, I get spam too.  But it's still less than the spam directed at an old
account on another machine, that posted regularly to usenet until about 3
years ago!  And hasn't been used at all since...


On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Adam Shostack wrote:

> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:38:24 -0500 (EST)
> From: Adam Shostack <adam@homeport.org>
> To: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin@law.miami.edu>
> Cc: shamrock@netcom.com, tcmay@got.net, cypherpunks@toad.com
> Subject: Re: Good Bye Cypherpunks!
> 
> Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
> | Just for the record.  I will not post to USENET given the spamming that
> | seems to go to IDs that appear there.  
> 
> 	Your postings appear on the web, as part of the cypherpunks
> archives at infinity.nus.sg.
> 
> http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/0089.html
> 
> 	There seem to be robots that search the web; I've never even
> read usenet from this account, and I get spam.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> -- 
> "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
> 					               -Hume
> 
> 

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A. Michael Froomkin        | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax)
Associate Professor of Law |
U. Miami School of Law     | froomkin@law.miami.edu
P.O. Box 248087            | http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin
Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | It's warm here.