Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"

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                          SANDY SANDFORT
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C'punks,

You have probably just read John's post.  I truly hope YOU (each
and every one of you) can rise to his challenge.  If you have 
offered nothing in the past but criticism, it's now time to get a
bit more real.  What will it be, your money, time, equipment?

I would hope that the loudest advocates of "free speech" turn out
to be the most generous, but I'm not holding my breath.  Maybe 
the solution(s) will come from you lurkers.  I hope you can put
down your beer long enough to get involved.

Finally, if anyone wants to discuss why the Cypherpunk list has
come to this, or what I did right or wrong as a moderator, let's
talk about--on the new list(s) YOU create.  For now, though, it's
off-topic.  We have work to do.


 S a n d y

P.S.	To all those people who privately supported me in
	my attempt to help the list deal with its problems,
	thank you.  I wouldn't have come back without your
	and John's encouragement.

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At 05:50 AM 2/11/97 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
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>                          SANDY SANDFORT
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>
>C'punks,
>
>You have probably just read John's post.  I truly hope YOU (each
>and every one of you) can rise to his challenge.  If you have 
>offered nothing in the past but criticism, it's now time to get a
>bit more real.  What will it be, your money, time, equipment?

What kind of memory requirements/machine load does the list eat up?  I have a
machine that may fit this purpose...  (Need to know if I need to upgrade the
box though.)


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linux with 16 MB ram will probably get you through.

igor

Alan Olsen wrote:
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> At 05:50 AM 2/11/97 -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
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> >                          SANDY SANDFORT
> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> >
> >C'punks,
> >
> >You have probably just read John's post.  I truly hope YOU (each
> >and every one of you) can rise to his challenge.  If you have 
> >offered nothing in the past but criticism, it's now time to get a
> >bit more real.  What will it be, your money, time, equipment?
> 
> What kind of memory requirements/machine load does the list eat up?  I have a
> machine that may fit this purpose...  (Need to know if I need to upgrade the
> box though.)
> 
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	- Igor.

Sandy Sandfort allegedly said:
> 
[...]
> Finally, if anyone wants to discuss why the Cypherpunk list has
> come to this, or what I did right or wrong as a moderator, let's
> talk about--on the new list(s) YOU create.  For now, though, it's
> off-topic.  We have work to do.

If a scheme can be worked out for a distributed list, I am willing to 
support maybe 100 users at songbird.

-- 
Kent Crispin				"No reason to get excited",
kent@songbird.com,kc@llnl.gov		the thief he kindly spoke...
PGP fingerprint:   5A 16 DA 04 31 33 40 1E  87 DA 29 02 97 A3 46 2F

so we have myself, Jim Choate, and you who colunteer to host
mailing lists for the distributed cypherpunks.

I have already created majordomo@algebra.com and cypherpunks@algebra.com.

We can coordinate our efforts. Actually, we can even have a mini
mailing list for people who want to participate in the distributed
cypherpunks experiment. If there is any interest, I can create such 
a list.

igor

Kent Crispin wrote:
> 
> Sandy Sandfort allegedly said:
> > 
> [...]
> > Finally, if anyone wants to discuss why the Cypherpunk list has
> > come to this, or what I did right or wrong as a moderator, let's
> > talk about--on the new list(s) YOU create.  For now, though, it's
> > off-topic.  We have work to do.
> 
> If a scheme can be worked out for a distributed list, I am willing to 
> support maybe 100 users at songbird.
> 
> -- 
> Kent Crispin				"No reason to get excited",
> kent@songbird.com,kc@llnl.gov		the thief he kindly spoke...
> PGP fingerprint:   5A 16 DA 04 31 33 40 1E  87 DA 29 02 97 A3 46 2F
> 



	- Igor.

Igor Chudov <ichudov@algebra.com> writes:
> so we have myself, Jim Choate, and you who colunteer to host
> mailing lists for the distributed cypherpunks.
> 
> I have already created majordomo@algebra.com and cypherpunks@algebra.com.
> 
> We can coordinate our efforts. Actually, we can even have a mini
> mailing list for people who want to participate in the distributed
> cypherpunks experiment. If there is any interest, I can create such 
> a list.

Please do.

Adam
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Adam Back wrote:
> 
> 
> Igor Chudov <ichudov@algebra.com> writes:
> > so we have myself, Jim Choate, and you who colunteer to host
> > mailing lists for the distributed cypherpunks.
> > 
> > I have already created majordomo@algebra.com and cypherpunks@algebra.com.
> > 
> > We can coordinate our efforts. Actually, we can even have a mini
> > mailing list for people who want to participate in the distributed
> > cypherpunks experiment. If there is any interest, I can create such 
> > a list.
> 
> Please do.

The list is called cypherpunks-hosts@algebra.com. 

Use majordomo@algebra.com to sub-scri-be.

	- Igor.

At 10:46 PM -0800 2/11/97, Greg Broiles wrote:

>At 06:59 PM 2/11/97 -0600, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
>
>>We can coordinate our efforts. Actually, we can even have a mini
>>mailing list for people who want to participate in the distributed
>>cypherpunks experiment. If there is any interest, I can create such
>>a list.
>
>Yes, this is a good idea. One of the proponents of the "many majordomos"
>project apparently has plans to impose his own ideas about intellectual
>property on the project, and this seems like a pretty serious thing for a
>setup that's allegedly going to prevent censorship. We need a place to
>discuss this.

I've noticed the same thing, and this is part of why I'm so skeptical of
the "many majordomos" notion. Some of the proponents have their own notions
of who is fit to be in their system, and which topics are appropriate.

If alt.cypherpunks gets wide propagation, I expect that'll be where I post
the bulk of my stuff.

By the way, several people have stepped forward to offer to host "the list"
(?) on their Linux boxes, or spare CPU cycles they have somewhere. It's
important that such offers be weighed carefully in terms of how serious the
commitment is, and how long the service might last.

(For you old-timers, we wouldn't want to have a repeat of the situation
where a remailer went down because "I took my laptop with me on vacation to
Spain.")

--Tim May



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At 06:59 PM 2/11/97 -0600, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:

>We can coordinate our efforts. Actually, we can even have a mini
>mailing list for people who want to participate in the distributed
>cypherpunks experiment. If there is any interest, I can create such 
>a list.

Yes, this is a good idea. One of the proponents of the "many majordomos"
project apparently has plans to impose his own ideas about intellectual
property on the project, and this seems like a pretty serious thing for a
setup that's allegedly going to prevent censorship. We need a place to
discuss this.


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Greg Broiles wrote:
> At 06:59 PM 2/11/97 -0600, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
> 
> >We can coordinate our efforts. Actually, we can even have a mini
> >mailing list for people who want to participate in the distributed
> >cypherpunks experiment. If there is any interest, I can create such 
> >a list.
> 
> Yes, this is a good idea. One of the proponents of the "many majordomos"
> project apparently has plans to impose his own ideas about intellectual
> property on the project, and this seems like a pretty serious thing for a
> setup that's allegedly going to prevent censorship. We need a place to
> discuss this.

I have acreated a mailing list, cypherpunks-hosts@algebra.com,  for
people interested in participating in the multi-homed cypherpunks list.
You can subscribe to cypherpunks-hosts by talking to
majordomo@algebra.com.

	- Igor.