Anyone have the complete info on CP list alternatives?

Everyone and his/her cousin has jumped into the void
created when John Gilmore decided to pull the plug
on toad.com.

However, I'm very confused on just what to do at this
point, my news server doesn't see alt.cypherpunks
yet and if it did would probably lose about 75% of
the posts if past performance is to be any indicator.
(Or more accurately, would never get them, we seem
to be a bottom feeder here in South Florida as far
as the newsgroups go.)

Has anyone composed a concise summary of just
what the options are? Time is running out, I guess.

Thanks in advance.

=Bill=

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On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Bill Campbell wrote:

> However, I'm very confused on just what to do at this
> point, my news server doesn't see alt.cypherpunks
> yet and if it did would probably lose about 75% of
> the posts if past performance is to be any indicator.
> (Or more accurately, would never get them, we seem
> to be a bottom feeder here in South Florida as far
> as the newsgroups go.)
> 
> Has anyone composed a concise summary of just
> what the options are? Time is running out, I guess.

Here's my understanding of the situation:

 - Newsgroups alt.cypherpunks, alt.cypherpunks.announce,
	alt.cypherpunks.social, alt.cypherpunks.technical have been created.

 - The distributed list is still forming and so far consists of
	cypherpunks@algebra.com, cypherpunks@ssz.com, and others of which I
	do not know the location.  A mail<->news gateway is planned, but not
	yet in place, between the distributed list and the newsgroup(s).
	cypherpunks@algebra.com is receiving messages from
	cypherpunks-unedited.  I assume this means that the other hosts part
	of the distributed list are also receiving cypherpunks-unedited
	messages.

 - Lance Cottrell is running another list (cypherpunks@cyberpass.net) that is
	not yet part of the distributed list.  It is also receiving feed from
	toad.com.

If you don't want to miss any messages, then you should subscribe to both
cypherpunks@cyberpass.net and one of the distributed list nodes.  Since both
are receiving cypherpunks-unedited, you can safely unsubscribe from
cypherpunks-unedited, -flames, or the "main" list.  Since these lists have
overlapping content, you should delete duplicates.


Mark
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Mark M. wrote:
>  - Newsgroups alt.cypherpunks, alt.cypherpunks.announce,
> 	alt.cypherpunks.social, alt.cypherpunks.technical have been created.

... Along with several others.

>  - The distributed list is still forming and so far consists of
> 	cypherpunks@algebra.com, cypherpunks@ssz.com, and others of which I
> 	do not know the location.  A mail<->news gateway is planned, but not
> 	yet in place, between the distributed list and the newsgroup(s).

It is in place. It feeds from cypherpunks@algebra.com. Bryan Reece 
reece@taz.nceye.net runs the posting bot. taz.nceye.net is an open
newsserver offering several cypherpunks newsgroups.

I am not yet sure if taz is now a part of the mainstream usenet, that 
is, it may not be connected to the Big USENET.

> 	cypherpunks@algebra.com is receiving messages from
> 	cypherpunks-unedited.  I assume this means that the other hosts part
> 	of the distributed list are also receiving cypherpunks-unedited
> 	messages.

Correct.
 
>  - Lance Cottrell is running another list (cypherpunks@cyberpass.net) that is
> 	not yet part of the distributed list.  It is also receiving feed from
> 	toad.com.

I will subscribe to it.

Now, it is important to realize that Lance's machine is probably much
better connected than mine. Once we get connected with him, you may be
better off reading cypherpunks from cypherpunks@cyberpass.net. If you
su-bsc-ribe to cypherpunks@algebra.com, it may take longer for articles
to reach you.

 
> If you don't want to miss any messages, then you should subscribe to both
> cypherpunks@cyberpass.net and one of the distributed list nodes.  Since both
> are receiving cypherpunks-unedited, you can safely unsubscribe from
> cypherpunks-unedited, -flames, or the "main" list.  Since these lists have
> overlapping content, you should delete duplicates.

I still think that it is a good idea to do nothing for several days and
wait until the distributed network picks up cyberpass. Then, subscribe
to any node of your liking.

	- Igor.

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   Mark M. wrote:
   >  - Newsgroups alt.cypherpunks, alt.cypherpunks.announce,
   > 	alt.cypherpunks.social, alt.cypherpunks.technical have been created.

   ... Along with several others.

   >  - The distributed list is still forming and so far consists of
   > 	cypherpunks@algebra.com, cypherpunks@ssz.com, and others of which I
   > 	do not know the location.  A mail<->news gateway is planned, but not
   > 	yet in place, between the distributed list and the newsgroup(s).

   It is in place. It feeds from cypherpunks@algebra.com. Bryan Reece 
   reece@taz.nceye.net runs the posting bot. taz.nceye.net is an open
   newsserver offering several cypherpunks newsgroups.

   I am not yet sure if taz is now a part of the mainstream usenet, that 
   is, it may not be connected to the Big USENET.

It receives some Big Usenet groups, but only for local users.
alt.cypherpunks is open, but there will be long delays, on the
order of a day, for articles there (unless someone better connected to
Usenet wants to feed me alt.cypherpunks.*---any volunteers?).

Bryan Reece wrote:
> 
>    It is in place. It feeds from cypherpunks@algebra.com. Bryan Reece 
>    reece@taz.nceye.net runs the posting bot. taz.nceye.net is an open
>    newsserver offering several cypherpunks newsgroups.
> 
>    I am not yet sure if taz is now a part of the mainstream usenet, that 
>    is, it may not be connected to the Big USENET.
> 
> It receives some Big Usenet groups, but only for local users.
> alt.cypherpunks is open, but there will be long delays, on the
> order of a day, for articles there (unless someone better connected to
> Usenet wants to feed me alt.cypherpunks.*---any volunteers?).
> 

I just set up a recipe for using mail2news gateways like this:

:0 c
| formail -I "Newsgroups: alt.cypherpunks,misc.misc" | 		\
	sendmail mail2news@anon.lcs.mit.edu mail2news@utopia.hacktic.nl

Any objections?

	- Igor.

Bill Campbell wrote:
> 
> Everyone and his/her cousin has jumped into the void
> created when John Gilmore decided to pull the plug
> on toad.com.
> Has anyone composed a concise summary of just
> what the options are? 

  I have subscribed to Igor's cypherpunks@algebra.com.
  Jim Choate and Lance Cottrel (?) are participating with Igor and
others in maintaining continuity of the list, to my understanding.
  They all seem to be moving toward maintaining a distributed list
which will ensure both continuity and integrity. I would suggest 
joining one or the other list and then, once the 'dust' has 
settled, taking steps to verify that whatever list you are 
subscribed to is operating in such a way as to ensure that there
are no shenanigans going on in the background.
  I, for one, am content to give the new list distributors the 
benefit of the doubt if there are anomalies in the new system,
given the haste in which they must initiate a new distributed
mailing list system.
  On the other hand, they may all be godless communists, seeking
to twist our fragile minds to do their bidding. (Much like myself)

Toto