Anguilla is not Marxist!

Charles:
> The Minister of Finance in Anguilla is a nice guy, but
> he did his graduate degree in economics at The New School for Social
> Research here in New York City, which just happens to be attached to the
> computer lab where I teach; and I know for a fact that the graduate
> studies division is the last bastion of Marxist economic theory in
> America. 
> [...]  Of course,
> the Anguillan Minister of Finance may have undergone a subsequent
> philosophical conversion to the free market (just like Deng, right?) but
> his country shows few signs of libertarian ideology; e.g. they have a
> state-owned radio station, they haven't quite embraced the idea of
> competitive bids for government projects, and they still have a
> monopolistic phone service that has disabled all the pound and star keys
> on island phones so that people can't save money using American call-back
> services. 

Hold it right there!  There is no Marxism or socialism in Anguilla.  We
don't even have income tax!  They are not busy redistributing wealth here. 
They let you keep your own wealth in Anguilla.  Get a clue!

The current minister of finance is not at all responsible for the Cable
and Wireless monopoly.  It was the previous government that set them up
and the current government is not happy about it. 

It is absurd to assume that since 20 years ago our Minister of Finance
went to some school you are attached to, and you have noticed Marxists
there, that he is anything close to a Marxist or to assume anything at all
about Anguilla.  After all, you are currently near this school, so by your
logic you must have caught the infection too.  Yet you claim to be a
Libertarian.

The USA had a monopoly phone company not that long ago.  You might say
that Anguilla is behind the US in terms of telecom policy.  But to yell
communism is totally nuts.

Please.  Be reasonable.

    --  Vince

Now, Vince, calm down! Contrary to your subject line, I never remotely
suggested that Marxism runs rampant in sunny Anguilla. I merely observed
that your Minister of Finance did choose an educational institution
notorious for Marxist ideology. The Minister may have undergone a radical
change in his ideas since then (AS I SAID IN THE TEXT THAT I POSTED TO THE
GROUP!). I did not blame him for the phone monopoly, merely pointed out
that government in Anguilla does not seem much into the idea of
competitive bids, generally speaking. You can hardly object to this
statement, since you said as much to me yourself! 

Incidentally, the same text was circulated to Lynwood Bell of Hansa Bank, 
who made detailed corrections of some of my statements about his 
institution, but where the Minister of Finance was concerned, made only a 
wry, amused comment.

On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Vincent Cate wrote:

> Hold it right there!  There is no Marxism or socialism in Anguilla.  We
> don't even have income tax!  They are not busy redistributing wealth here. 
> They let you keep your own wealth in Anguilla.  Get a clue!

My text was not intended to imply anything of this kind.

> The current minister of finance is not at all responsible for the Cable
> and Wireless monopoly.  It was the previous government that set them up
> and the current government is not happy about it. 

Well, this is more relevant--but what do you mean, "not happy"? Is there 
a policy statement, a public remark I can quote?

> Please.  Be reasonable.

Sorry, but I think your reaction is a bit unreasonable. I'll certainly
rephrase my text if you sincerely feel it suggests that Marxism thrives in
Anguilla. But I thought the context made it clear that the country is just
a sleepy little British colony with zero corporate/personal taxes and some
bad habits left over from the Brits--such as a government-owned radio
station and a horrible phone system. 

--Charles

> I merely observed
> that your Minister of Finance did choose an educational institution
> notorious for Marxist ideology. The Minister may have undergone a radical
> change in his ideas since then (AS I SAID IN THE TEXT THAT I POSTED TO THE
> GROUP!).

You still assume that he was, at least at one time, into that and only if
he had changed could he now be normal.  This is so bogus.  What makes you
think he needed to undergo radical change?

> I did not blame him for the phone monopoly, merely pointed out
> that government in Anguilla does not seem much into the idea of
> competitive bids, generally speaking. You can hardly object to this
> statement, since you said as much to me yourself! 

Ok. I don't remember talking about competitive bids.  Not sure what
Anguilla would be taking bids for really. 

> > The current minister of finance is not at all responsible for the Cable
> > and Wireless monopoly.  It was the previous government that set them up
> > and the current government is not happy about it. 
> 
> Well, this is more relevant--but what do you mean, "not happy"? Is there 
> a policy statement, a public remark I can quote?

I don't have one, but I will see if I can get/find one.  

> Sorry, but I think your reaction is a bit unreasonable. I'll certainly
> rephrase my text if you sincerely feel it suggests that Marxism thrives in
> Anguilla. 

It just seems bazar to conclude that our Minister of Finance is at best a
reformed Marxist without any more evidence than a name of a school he went
to and a monopoly phone company setup by the previous government. 

> But I thought the context made it clear that the country is just
> a sleepy little British colony with zero corporate/personal taxes and some
> bad habits left over from the Brits--such as a government-owned radio
> station and a horrible phone system. 

There are also 2 local private radio stations, 2 local private TV
stations, and a private cable company with 40 channels (local adds but
little local programming). If you only talk about the government owned
radio station you make it seem like this is government is controlling the
media or something.  It is not giving an accurate impression. 

The UK and USA also have government owned stations.  So what?  As long as
private ones are not supressed, I don't have any trouble with a government
owning its own radio station (and I am a devout Libertarian). 

   -- Vince

On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Vincent Cate wrote:

> You still assume that he was, at least at one time, into that and only if
> he had changed could he now be normal.  This is so bogus.  What makes you
> think he needed to undergo radical change?

Well, I suppose it's possible that he didn't know about the politics of 
the university till he actually got there ... but highly unlikely, 
because it is quite notorious. And he did stay there. 

> Ok. I don't remember talking about competitive bids.  Not sure what
> Anguilla would be taking bids for really. 

Asphalt for roads, as I recall.

> It just seems bazar to conclude that our Minister of Finance is at best a
> reformed Marxist without any more evidence than a name of a school he went
> to and a monopoly phone company setup by the previous government. 

Fair enough (I guess). It's always enlightening to discover how one's 
writing is read by others. This is why I ALWAYS submit my text for review 
before sending it to the magazine.

> There are also 2 local private radio stations, 2 local private TV
> stations, and a private cable company with 40 channels (local adds but
> little local programming). If you only talk about the government owned
> radio station you make it seem like this is government is controlling the
> media or something.  It is not giving an accurate impression. 

OK. I got my impression from the guy who runs it. Perhaps naturally, he 
emphasized it more than his competition.

> The UK and USA also have government owned stations.  So what?  As long as
> private ones are not supressed, I don't have any trouble with a government
> owning its own radio station (and I am a devout Libertarian). 

I do tend to be a little bit suspicious of any state-owned broadcasting 
system (including PBS).

But this is way off topic for cypherpunks. Maybe we should continue in 
email if we need to continue.

I do appreciate your perspective.

--CP

Vincent Cate <vince@offshore.com.ai> writes:

> > I merely observed
> > that your Minister of Finance did choose an educational institution
> > notorious for Marxist ideology. The Minister may have undergone a radical
> > change in his ideas since then (AS I SAID IN THE TEXT THAT I POSTED TO THE
> > GROUP!).
>
> You still assume that he was, at least at one time, into that and only if
> he had changed could he now be normal.  This is so bogus.  What makes you
> think he needed to undergo radical change?

Vince,

Charles Platt is notorious on the net as a drunkard and a pathological
liar.  Don't waste your time refuting his lies.

> > Sorry, but I think your reaction is a bit unreasonable. I'll certainly
> > rephrase my text if you sincerely feel it suggests that Marxism thrives in
> > Anguilla.
>
> It just seems bazar to conclude that our Minister of Finance is at best a
> reformed Marxist without any more evidence than a name of a school he went
> to and a monopoly phone company setup by the previous government.

Charles Platt works part-time for New School for Social Research (teaching
students Microsoft Office or something :-). Obviously he's very envious of
any former student who's more successful than he is, so he invents all sorts
of stupid lies about his employer.

> > But I thought the context made it clear that the country is just
> > a sleepy little British colony with zero corporate/personal taxes and some
> > bad habits left over from the Brits--such as a government-owned radio
> > station and a horrible phone system.
>
> There are also 2 local private radio stations, 2 local private TV
> stations, and a private cable company with 40 channels (local adds but
> little local programming). If you only talk about the government owned
> radio station you make it seem like this is government is controlling the
> media or something.  It is not giving an accurate impression.
>
> The UK and USA also have government owned stations.  So what?  As long as
> private ones are not supressed, I don't have any trouble with a government
> owning its own radio station (and I am a devout Libertarian).

This just proves again that Charles Platt is a pathological liar.

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

> 
> This just proves again that Charles Platt is a pathological liar.


Vulis you are the pathological liar.


> 
> ---
> 
> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
> Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
>

Graham-John Bullers <real@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> writes:

> >
> > This just proves again that Charles Platt is a pathological liar.
>
>
> Vulis you are the pathological liar.

Charles Platt, the alcoholic yellow journalist, is a pathological liar.

Just look in sci.cryonics for the testimonies from dozens of people
(former business partners and clients) cheated from thousands of
dollars by Charles Platt's failed "frozen corpses" business.

Charles Platt almost got arrested recently when he showed up drunk
at a public meeting and began shouting obscenities at people.

Please take any additional comments to alt.2600.moderated.

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
> Graham-John Bullers <real@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> writes:
> > Vulis you are the pathological liar.

This Graham-John character may just be one of the best autobots
yet.  I've examined "his" messages, which show even less emotional
content than on-the-scene responses by Sirhan Sirhan or John Hinckley.
Obviously not hand-typed by a human.

> Charles Platt, the alcoholic yellow journalist, is a pathological liar.
> Just look in sci.cryonics for the testimonies from dozens of people
> (former business partners and clients) cheated from thousands of
> dollars by Charles Platt's failed "frozen corpses" business.
> Charles Platt almost got arrested recently when he showed up drunk
> at a public meeting and began shouting obscenities at people.
> Please take any additional comments to alt.2600.moderated.

Platt sounds like the ideal candidate to start another disinformation
periodical.  Any guesses as to who his backers will be?

P.S. Thanx for the L.L. interviews.  I hope to build these into
another good text database.

Dale Thorn <dthorn@gte.net> writes:

> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
> > Graham-John Bullers <real@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> writes:
> > > Vulis you are the pathological liar.
>
> This Graham-John character may just be one of the best autobots
> yet.  I've examined "his" messages, which show even less emotional
> content than on-the-scene responses by Sirhan Sirhan or John Hinckley.
> Obviously not hand-typed by a human.

Perhaps some enemy of the "real" Graham-John is running a 'bot that
forges drivel in his name in an effort to have him globally killfiled?

> > Charles Platt, the alcoholic yellow journalist, is a pathological liar.
> > Just look in sci.cryonics for the testimonies from dozens of people
> > (former business partners and clients) cheated from thousands of
> > dollars by Charles Platt's failed "frozen corpses" business.
> > Charles Platt almost got arrested recently when he showed up drunk
> > at a public meeting and began shouting obscenities at people.

There were more articles on sci.cryonics alleging that Charles Platt
finally got arrested this time. The cocksucker John Gilmore too got
arrested last August. Perhaps the shock of spending a night in jail
will cause Charles Platt to enter a detox program.

> Platt sounds like the ideal candidate to start another disinformation
> periodical.  Any guesses as to who his backers will be?

There are connections between Platt and panix.com and SEA and EFF and C2Net.

Charlie is a very sick pervert who posted the following on Usenet:

]--------------------------------------------------------------------------
]
]Subject:      Re: electricity torture?
]From:         cp@panix.com (Charles Platt)
]Date:         1997/01/31
]Message-Id:   <5crvmh$jhe@panix.com>
]Newsgroups:   alt.torture
]
]I suggest an enhancement to the basic phone-torture scenario. Buy a cheap
]answering machine that picks up on the third or fourth ring. Inside the
]answering machine there is usually a relay that closes when the machine
]picks up. It might be interesting to adapt that relay to supply an
]electric shock to the slave. Thus, the slave gets to sit and listen as the
]phone rings once, twice, a third time ... and of course, sometimes the
]master hangs up BEFORE the fourth ring, just to make life more
]interesting.
]
]It seems to me, true torture has to entail anticipation and uncertainty.
]
]-------------------------------------------------------------------------
]
]Subject:      Re: Orgasm control
]From:         cp@panix.com (Charles Platt)
]Date:         1997/01/05
]Message-Id:   <5ap55i$iit@panix.com>
]Newsgroups:   alt.torture
]
]Dave & Eddie (dave-ed@dircon.co.uk) wrote:
]
]> Has anyone got any experiences, tips or techniques for encouraging and
]> building up to extreme intensity a male's need for orgasm, and then
]> withholding the longed-for and urgently-needed relief of ejaculation -
]> over a very long period of time, and as a torture?
]
]Trouble is, in the long term this tends to result in enlargement of the
]prostate. Of course that can be a torture in itself (urinary problems etc)
]and I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but at least the victim should be
]aware of these potential long-term penalties.
]
]-----------------------------------------------------------------------
]
]Subject:      Re: Elec. Tort. (I was shocked with 220...)
]From:         cp@panix.com (Charles Platt)
]Date:         1997/02/19
]Message-Id:   <5egkkm$qbq@panix.com>
]Newsgroups:   alt.torture
]
]JBtspflk (jbtspflk@aol.com) wrote:
]> BTW, I always thought that the telephone ringing signal was 20Hz AC, not
]> DC.
]
]You're right, the ring signal is AC. Old phones used a rectifier that
]would pass the AC and ring the bell. When the ringing signal is not
]present, there is a DC potential on the line. This isn't painful but the
]AC ring signal does, er, give you a shock.
]
]This doesn't have much to do with torture, does it? Unless, of course,
]you regard boredom as a form of torture. "Tonight, my dear, I am going to
]tie you down--and read interesting facts about the TELEPHONE SYSTEM!"
]
]----------------------------------------------------------------------
]
]Subject:  Re: Hand Crank Generator
]From:  cp@panix.com (Charles Platt)
]Date:  1997/01/06
]Message-Id:  <5ashd1$k2m@panix.com>
]Newsgroups: alt.torture
]
]Leonard (ixion@dorsai.org) wrote:
]> How will this tell me how to effectively use this device?
]> I'm still looking for practical data.
]> Anybody ever use one of these things?
]
]All I can tell you is I used to fool around with one of these things, as a
]kid, with a friend. As kids, we took turns with one person turning the
]handle while the other took a wire in each hand. As an adult, I would say
]this is definitely not such a great idea. I find it hard to believe,
]however, that you're going to do any harm if the two (dry) conductors
]touch (dry) skin just a few inches apart. As a previous post said, avoid
]running current through major organs (heart, brain, etc!).
]
]A previous post gave various resistance values for skin. If you want to
]know how much current the generator will pass through skin, first obtain a
]potentiometer (variable resistor) that can take a reasonable amount of
]current--1 watt, say. Use a volt/amp/ohm meter to calibrate the
]potentiometer--i.e. mark where the knob points for 1000 ohms, 5000 ohms,
]etc. Now attach one wire from your generator to one side of the
]potentiometer, link the other side of your potentiometer with your
]volt/amp/ohm meter, switch the meter to measure CURRENT (amps), and attach
]the other side of the meter to the other wire of your generator. In other
]words, the generator, potentiometer, and meter form a closed daisy chain.
]Crank the handle at different potentiometer settings and see what readings
]you get from your meter. This will only be an APPROXIMATE guide, and you
]may want to check the skin resistance of your actual test subject too.
]
]Note: all the above advice dates back to stuff I did 25 years ago. I think
]it's accurate (if it's not, someone will probably flame me anyway); but
]as with all forms of consensual torture, it might be a good idea to try it
]on yourself first.
]
]------------------------------------------------------------------------
]

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

Dale Thorn <dthorn@gte.net> writes:

> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
> > Graham-John Bullers <real@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> writes:
> > > Vulis you are the pathological liar.
>
> This Graham-John character may just be one of the best autobots
> yet.  I've examined "his" messages, which show even less emotional
> content than on-the-scene responses by Sirhan Sirhan or John Hinckley.
> Obviously not hand-typed by a human.

Perhaps some enemy of the "real" Graham-John is running a 'bot that
forges drivel in his name in an effort to have him globally killfiled?

> > Charles Platt, the alcoholic yellow journalist, is a pathological liar.
> > Just look in sci.cryonics for the testimonies from dozens of people
> > (former business partners and clients) cheated from thousands of
> > dollars by Charles Platt's failed "frozen corpses" business.
> > Charles Platt almost got arrested recently when he showed up drunk
> > at a public meeting and began shouting obscenities at people.

There were more articles on sci.cryonics alleging that Charles Platt
finally got arrested this time. The cocksucker John Gilmore too got
arrested last August. Perhaps the shock of spending a night in jail
will cause Charles Platt to enter a detox program.

> Platt sounds like the ideal candidate to start another disinformation
> periodical.  Any guesses as to who his backers will be?

There are connections between Platt and panix.com and SEA and EFF and C2Net.

Charlie is a very sick pervert who posted the following on Usenet:

]--------------------------------------------------------------------------
]
]Subject:      Re: electricity torture?
]From:         cp@panix.com (Charles Platt)
]Date:         1997/01/31
]Message-Id:   <5crvmh$jhe@panix.com>
]Newsgroups:   alt.torture
]
]I suggest an enhancement to the basic phone-torture scenario. Buy a cheap
]answering machine that picks up on the third or fourth ring. Inside the
]answering machine there is usually a relay that closes when the machine
]picks up. It might be interesting to adapt that relay to supply an
]electric shock to the slave. Thus, the slave gets to sit and listen as the
]phone rings once, twice, a third time ... and of course, sometimes the
]master hangs up BEFORE the fourth ring, just to make life more
]interesting.
]
]It seems to me, true torture has to entail anticipation and uncertainty.
]
]-------------------------------------------------------------------------
]
]Subject:      Re: Orgasm control
]From:         cp@panix.com (Charles Platt)
]Date:         1997/01/05
]Message-Id:   <5ap55i$iit@panix.com>
]Newsgroups:   alt.torture
]
]Dave & Eddie (dave-ed@dircon.co.uk) wrote:
]
]> Has anyone got any experiences, tips or techniques for encouraging and
]> building up to extreme intensity a male's need for orgasm, and then
]> withholding the longed-for and urgently-needed relief of ejaculation -
]> over a very long period of time, and as a torture?
]
]Trouble is, in the long term this tends to result in enlargement of the
]prostate. Of course that can be a torture in itself (urinary problems etc)
]and I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but at least the victim should be
]aware of these potential long-term penalties.
]
]-----------------------------------------------------------------------
]
]Subject:      Re: Elec. Tort. (I was shocked with 220...)
]From:         cp@panix.com (Charles Platt)
]Date:         1997/02/19
]Message-Id:   <5egkkm$qbq@panix.com>
]Newsgroups:   alt.torture
]
]JBtspflk (jbtspflk@aol.com) wrote:
]> BTW, I always thought that the telephone ringing signal was 20Hz AC, not
]> DC.
]
]You're right, the ring signal is AC. Old phones used a rectifier that
]would pass the AC and ring the bell. When the ringing signal is not
]present, there is a DC potential on the line. This isn't painful but the
]AC ring signal does, er, give you a shock.
]
]This doesn't have much to do with torture, does it? Unless, of course,
]you regard boredom as a form of torture. "Tonight, my dear, I am going to
]tie you down--and read interesting facts about the TELEPHONE SYSTEM!"
]
]----------------------------------------------------------------------
]
]Subject:  Re: Hand Crank Generator
]From:  cp@panix.com (Charles Platt)
]Date:  1997/01/06
]Message-Id:  <5ashd1$k2m@panix.com>
]Newsgroups: alt.torture
]
]Leonard (ixion@dorsai.org) wrote:
]> How will this tell me how to effectively use this device?
]> I'm still looking for practical data.
]> Anybody ever use one of these things?
]
]All I can tell you is I used to fool around with one of these things, as a
]kid, with a friend. As kids, we took turns with one person turning the
]handle while the other took a wire in each hand. As an adult, I would say
]this is definitely not such a great idea. I find it hard to believe,
]however, that you're going to do any harm if the two (dry) conductors
]touch (dry) skin just a few inches apart. As a previous post said, avoid
]running current through major organs (heart, brain, etc!).
]
]A previous post gave various resistance values for skin. If you want to
]know how much current the generator will pass through skin, first obtain a
]potentiometer (variable resistor) that can take a reasonable amount of
]current--1 watt, say. Use a volt/amp/ohm meter to calibrate the
]potentiometer--i.e. mark where the knob points for 1000 ohms, 5000 ohms,
]etc. Now attach one wire from your generator to one side of the
]potentiometer, link the other side of your potentiometer with your
]volt/amp/ohm meter, switch the meter to measure CURRENT (amps), and attach
]the other side of the meter to the other wire of your generator. In other
]words, the generator, potentiometer, and meter form a closed daisy chain.
]Crank the handle at different potentiometer settings and see what readings
]you get from your meter. This will only be an APPROXIMATE guide, and you
]may want to check the skin resistance of your actual test subject too.
]
]Note: all the above advice dates back to stuff I did 25 years ago. I think
]it's accurate (if it's not, someone will probably flame me anyway); but
]as with all forms of consensual torture, it might be a good idea to try it
]on yourself first.
]
]------------------------------------------------------------------------
]

Alcoholic liar Charles Platt <cp@panix.com> writes:

>
> Incidentally, the same text was circulated to Lynwood Bell of Hansa Bank,
> who made detailed corrections of some of my statements about his
> institution, but where the Minister of Finance was concerned, made only a
> wry, amused comment.

As someone pointed out, Charles Platt met Lynwood Bell at a cocktail party
with free drinks.  Charles Platt, an alcoholic, was drunk like a skunk when
he "interviewed" Lynwood. Afterwards Charles Made up long quotes from
Lynwood. Actually, all Lynwood said was: "Get away from me, you pig."

The Minister did not find it worthwhile to communicate any further with
the notorious liar and self-styled yellow jounalist - Charles Platt.

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

> 
> The Minister did not find it worthwhile to communicate any further with
> the notorious liar and self-styled yellow jounalist - Charles Platt.


Vulis you are the notorious liar.

> 
> ---
> 
> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
> Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
>