Subject: Anonymous Nymserver: anon.nymserver.com

Kevin McCurry pretended to ask:

I would appreciate any information on the trustworthiness/security of the
below named individuals and service. Please, friends, spare me the gratuitous
remarks about Sameer, etc., that's not the issue inthis case.

  Why are you asking for information on these people and 
then stating that you don't want 'certain types' of 
information on Sameer and others?
  Are you connected in some way to these people, perhaps,
and just fishing for compliments that will be supplied
by the prepared responses of others?

  Allow me to give my 'unprepared' response in regard to
remailers in general, since you seem to be seeking only
a one-sided viewpoint about the individuals involved.

  Firstly, remailers were developed by the cypherpunks as
a method of monitoring supposedly private communications
of others, in order to increase their own power and wealth.
  The communications passing through them remain private 
and anonymous only to those who aren't running them (or who
haven't compromised the system).

  Secondly, the few remailers that aren't contolled by a
small elite within the cypherpunks come and go rather
quickly.

  Thirdly, the remailer owners only support compromised
cryptography systems such as the newer versions of PGP
produced by All-my-charges-mysteriously-disappeared-
when-I-agreed-to-switch-to-a-new-system Zimmerman.

  If you want true anonymity, learn how to hack.

TruthMonger

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In <199703120047.RAA13604@shaman.lycaeum.org>, on 03/11/97 at 06:47 PM,
   an7575@anon.nymserver.com said:


>Kevin McCurry pretended to ask:

>I would appreciate any information on the trustworthiness/security of the
>below named individuals and service. Please, friends, spare me the
>gratuitous remarks about Sameer, etc., that's not the issue inthis case.

>  Why are you asking for information on these people and 
>then stating that you don't want 'certain types' of 
>information on Sameer and others?
>  Are you connected in some way to these people, perhaps,
>and just fishing for compliments that will be supplied
>by the prepared responses of others?

>  Allow me to give my 'unprepared' response in regard to
>remailers in general, since you seem to be seeking only
>a one-sided viewpoint about the individuals involved.

>  Firstly, remailers were developed by the cypherpunks as
>a method of monitoring supposedly private communications
>of others, in order to increase their own power and wealth.
>  The communications passing through them remain private 
>and anonymous only to those who aren't running them (or who
>haven't compromised the system).

>  Secondly, the few remailers that aren't contolled by a
>small elite within the cypherpunks come and go rather
>quickly.

>  Thirdly, the remailer owners only support compromised
>cryptography systems such as the newer versions of PGP
>produced by All-my-charges-mysteriously-disappeared-
>when-I-agreed-to-switch-to-a-new-system Zimmerman.

>  If you want true anonymity, learn how to hack.

>TruthMonger

What a crock of shit!

Do you have any *PROOF* of your accusations or perhaps you are YAGS here
too spread more lies and dissinformation?

**YAGS: Yet Another Government Stooge.


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On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, William H. Geiger III wrote:

- -> In <199703120047.RAA13604@shaman.lycaeum.org>, on 03/11/97 at 06:47 PM,
- ->    an7575@anon.nymserver.com said:
- -> 
- -> 
- -> >Kevin McCurry pretended to ask:
- -> 
- -> >I would appreciate any information on the trustworthiness/security of the
- -> >below named individuals and service. Please, friends, spare me the
- -> >gratuitous remarks about Sameer, etc., that's not the issue inthis case.
- -> 
- -> >  Why are you asking for information on these people and 
- -> >then stating that you don't want 'certain types' of 
- -> >information on Sameer and others?

** TRASH CUT **

- -> >  If you want true anonymity, learn how to hack.
- -> 
- -> >TruthMonger
- -> 
- -> What a crock of shit!
- -> 
- -> Do you have any *PROOF* of your accusations or perhaps you are YAGS here
- -> too spread more lies and dissinformation?
- -> 
- -> **YAGS: Yet Another Government Stooge.

Actually, I think anon7575 is a true cypherpunk in spirit, regardless of the
truth value of what he said.

Spreading paranoia is very conducive to security.


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 . Sergey Goldgaber <sergey@el.net>      System Administrator        el Net .
 ............................................................................
 .   To him who does not know the world is on fire, I have nothing to say   .
 .                                                      - Bertholt Brecht   .
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Sergey Goldgaber wrote:
> 
> Actually, I think anon7575 is a true cypherpunk in spirit, regardless of 
> the truth value of what he said.
> 
> Spreading paranoia is very conducive to security.
> 

Think before you write. I suppose paranoia about terrorist threats
is in the cypherpunk spirit? Perhaps paranoia about those evil criminals
with the big guns coming and hurting us? Gosh, I'm a cypherpunk, I need
to be paranoid about these things! Let's give up all our rights so the
government can protect us!

--Pez Dispenser

On 12 Mar 1997, Pez Dispenser wrote:

-> Sergey Goldgaber wrote:
-> > 
-> > Actually, I think anon7575 is a true cypherpunk in spirit, regardless of 
-> > the truth value of what he said.
-> > 
-> > Spreading paranoia is very conducive to security.
-> > 
-> 
-> Think before you write. I suppose paranoia about terrorist threats
-> is in the cypherpunk spirit? Perhaps paranoia about those evil criminals
-> with the big guns coming and hurting us? Gosh, I'm a cypherpunk, I need
-> to be paranoid about these things! Let's give up all our rights so the
-> government can protect us!

Obviously, government intervention is not always the best solution.
However, stepping up security is in the cypherpunk spirit.

And save the patronising tone.


 ............................................................................
 . Sergey Goldgaber <sergey@el.net>      System Administrator        el Net .
 ............................................................................
 .   To him who does not know the world is on fire, I have nothing to say   .
 .                                                      - Bertholt Brecht   .
 ............................................................................

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On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Sergey Goldgaber wrote:

> On 12 Mar 1997, Pez Dispenser wrote:
> 
> -> Think before you write. I suppose paranoia about terrorist threats
> -> is in the cypherpunk spirit? Perhaps paranoia about those evil criminals
> -> with the big guns coming and hurting us? Gosh, I'm a cypherpunk, I need
> -> to be paranoid about these things! Let's give up all our rights so the
> -> government can protect us!
> 
> Obviously, government intervention is not always the best solution.
> However, stepping up security is in the cypherpunk spirit.

Indeed.  There seems to be a frequent misconception that security == government
intrustion.  Security provides solutions that can be voluntarily accepted or
rejected and which exist to specifically thwart attacks on a system.
Government intrustion provides solutions that benefit government agencies and
not non-LEA types.  Comparing the constant releases of security advisories and
patches to knee-jerk legislation just doesn't work.  As for the point about
"evil criminals with big guns", the libertarian/cypherpunk solution to such a
problem would be to carry a bigger gun and not prohibit the ownership of guns.

> 
> And save the patronising tone.
> 
> 
>  ............................................................................
>  . Sergey Goldgaber <sergey@el.net>      System Administrator        el Net .
>  ............................................................................
>  .   To him who does not know the world is on fire, I have nothing to say   .
>  .                                                      - Bertholt Brecht   .
>  ............................................................................
> 
> 
> 


Mark
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