NODE b6c4a370Cato forum on liquor advertising and electronic media
Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:33:32 -0700 (PDT)
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:32:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
To: fight-censorship-announce@vorlon.mit.edu
Subject: Cato forum on liquor advertising and electronic media
It was about a year ago when I wrote that just about every Federal agency
was scheming to regulate the Net. I take no pleasure in saying I was
right: we've seen agencies from the FDA to the FTC to the PTO try to grab
a piece of cyberspace. Indeed, last Friday at an Internet Caucus briefing,
FTC Commissioner Christine Varney said new regulations and laws were
necessary; she predicted FTC regulations would be forthcoming later this
year.
The Center for Media Education is trying to accelerate this process. In a
fearmongering report earlier this year, the group demanded that a slew of
government agencies -- the FCC, FDA, FTC, CDC, NCI, and the WHO -- take
"urgent agction" to "protect" America's children from tobacco and liquor
advertising online.
Sound familiar? It should. Net-nemesis Sen. Exon and conservative
activists like Bruce Taylor and Donna Rice-Hughes trotted out the same
lines two years ago when arguing for the Communications Decency Act.
The Cato Institute is holding a forum next month on just this issue.
Attached is the announcement and an excerpt from the CME report.
-Declan
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:44:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robin Hulsey <rhulsey@cato.org>
The Cato Institute invites you to a Policy Forum
Liquor Advertising and the Electronic Media
featuring
Fred Meister
Distilled Spirits Council of the United States
Dan Troy
Wiley, Rein & Fielding
Sam Kazman
Competitive Enterprise Institute
Heather Mizeur
Rep. Joseph Kennedy
Tom Howarth *
Mothers Against Drunk Driving
For years makers of "hard" liquor refrained from advertising their products
over radio and television, but last year some companies began doing so.
Some companies have also established an advertising presence on the
Internet. Is this free speech protected by the First Amendment, or is it a
new health threat that should be subject to regulation?
Tuesday, May 6, 1997
4:00 - 5:30 p.m.
(Reception to follow)
Cato Institute
1000 Massachusetts Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20001
To register, news media please call Robin Hulsey at (202) 789-5293 or E-mail
to rhulsey@cato.org.
* invited
****************
Excerpt from:
Center for Media Education Report
http://tap.epn.org/cme/execsum.html
Alcohol and Tobacco on the Web:
New Threats to Youth
Executive Summary
The combination of these new Web marketing
technologies gives marketers of alcohol and tobacco
an arsenal of powerful new weapons. Urgent action
is needed to ensure that effective safeguards are
put in place to protect young people from the
harmful effects of online marketing of alcohol and
tobacco. Because of the unique nature of the
interactive media, many of these new forms of
advertising, of particular appeal to youth, appear
to be inherently unfair and deceptive. Some of these
practices may already be violating the law.
The Cigarette Act, which has since 1971 kept
advertising of cigarettes off radio and television,
applies to "any medium of electronic communication
subject to the jurisdiction of the Federal
Communications Commission" and thus would be
applicable to the Internet as well. The alcohol
industries have not been subjected to the same kinds
of legal barriers to advertising as tobacco.
However, all advertising, including online
advertising, is subject to the current laws against
deceptive, unfair, or other illegal practices.
[...]
Among the recommendations for action, the Center for
Media Education calls for the following steps to
combat the online promotion of alcohol and tobacco
products to young people:
1. Congress should conduct hearings on the online
marketing of alcohol and tobacco to the nation's
children.
2. The Federal Trade Commission should use its
authority over unfair and deceptive advertising to
immediately launch an investigation into these
practices. The FTC should also expand its current
inquiry on online privacy to include alcohol and
tobacco marketing data-collection practices.
3. The Food and Drug Administration should carefully
monitor online tobacco promotion developments and
develop any additional safeguards needed to protect
youth that are not already covered by the Cigarette
Act.
4. Federal agencies responsible for the public health,
including the National Cancer Institute and the
Centers for Disease Control, should examine the
implications for public health of online marketing
of alcohol and tobacco products.
5. The national public health community, including
professional medical organizations, should launch
initiatives to educate their members and the public
about this issue.
6. The international health community, including the
World Health Organization, should launch similar
inquiries. Special attention should be given to the
negative consequences of new media marketing in the
developing world. The U.S. should play a leadership
role in the international arena to create effective
global safeguards.
7. Parents and educators should help educate our
nation's youth about these new dangers. They should
establish policies in the schools to limit exposure
of underage youth to these sites.
8. Alcohol industries should abide by their own
self-regulatory codes and stop targeting youth in
all media, including online.
9. Cigarette companies should refrain from moving onto
the Internet to market and promote their products.
If companies fail to comply with the Cigarette Act,
appropriate legal action should be taken.
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NODE b1bc66f3Re: Cato forum on liquor advertising and electronic media
Bill Stewart <stewarts@ix.netcom.com>Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
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At 04:33 PM 4/24/97 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>The Center for Media Education is trying to accelerate this process. In a
>fearmongering report earlier this year, the group demanded that a slew of
>government agencies -- the FCC, FDA, FTC, CDC, NCI, and the WHO -- take
>"urgent agction" to "protect" America's children from tobacco and liquor
>advertising online.
Sigh. Guess we'll have to do another information-logo-on-web-page campaign.
The real question is whether we should be in-your-face about it
and use a Joe Camel icon for the "Fight Commercial Censorship" campaign,
or something civilized like the many beer and wine company logos on the net.
"Fight censorship on the net - have a Beer!" Would Mr. Butts be available?
Meanwhile, back on Television, the "We know what's best for you"
program ratings are getting panned by everyone. I almost wonder if the
TV moguls decided to do a deliberately unsatisfactory rating system
rather that giving the censorship people the amount of control they want?
The proposed "sex/violence/language" ratings left out an important category
many parents would like in deciding what their kids can watch -- "Greed".
And neither the proposed nor the enacted systems rates commercials....
So you won't be able to set that V-Chip to auto-block commercials.
PYRBBROW.GIF
# Thanks; Bill
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NODE c4097cf3Re: Cato forum on liquor advertising and electronic media
Bill Stewart <stewarts@ix.netcom.com>Sun, 27 Apr 1997 01:00:06 -0700 (PDT)
At 04:59 PM 4/25/97 -0800, Tim May wrote:
>At 10:20 AM -0800 4/25/97, Bill Stewart wrote:
>>Attachment converted: APS 1GB Fireball:PYRBBROW.GIF (GIFf/JVWR) (0000F3F7)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I know I sound like a broken record, but these "attachments" are getting
>out of hand. I periodically look at my attachments folder and find several
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have, but it was small...
>(This GIF I opened...it appears to be a beer bottle with a star hanging
>around the neck. Self-ratings of beer?)
The context was the [some censorship group] initiative to ban alcohol and
tobacco advertising on the web. Their big hangup is Joe Camel, of course,
but I didn't have a handy Joe Camel gif around at the time I was posting,
and good beer is a far more civilized thing anyway :-) - it's Pyramid's
Best Brown Ale.
# Thanks; Bill
# Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts@ix.netcom.com
# You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp
# (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)
NODE eb4d2b90Re: Cato forum on liquor advertising and electronic media
Tim May <tcmay@got.net>Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:00:07 -0700 (PDT)
At 10:20 AM -0800 4/25/97, Bill Stewart wrote:
>Meanwhile, back on Television, the "We know what's best for you"
>program ratings are getting panned by everyone. I almost wonder if the
>TV moguls decided to do a deliberately unsatisfactory rating system
>rather that giving the censorship people the amount of control they want?
Ah, but the likelihood is now greater that even more restrictive ratings
and censorship will be imposed. After all, when have you known statists to
back off simply because a policy doesn't work as promised?
>The proposed "sex/violence/language" ratings left out an important category
>many parents would like in deciding what their kids can watch -- "Greed".
>And neither the proposed nor the enacted systems rates commercials....
>So you won't be able to set that V-Chip to auto-block commercials.
>Attachment converted: APS 1GB Fireball:PYRBBROW.GIF (GIFf/JVWR) (0000F3F7)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I know I sound like a broken record, but these "attachments" are getting
out of hand. I periodically look at my attachments folder and find several
dozen or more various attached files...GIFs I'll never look at, Postscript
versions of postings to the list, binaries of programs for platforms I
can't possibly use, and even .WAV sound files. Arrgghhh!
(This GIF I opened...it appears to be a beer bottle with a star hanging
around the neck. Self-ratings of beer?)
--Tim May
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