Rape, death and XS4ALL

> > The only "nice people" are dangerous anarchists bent on destroying
> > governments and buggering poloticians to death. (last part a personal
> > preference of course, the author is totally straight but would
> > nonetheless be distinctly amused to see any government official
> > butt-raped to death)
> 
> I, personally, would have to use a dildo.  Even if I were queer,
> I wouldn't get it up for a politician or a Cabal supporter.

This I can fully understand.

> > > "The Internet Watch Foundation forces the provider to remove the
> > > illegal content," he added. "This is a fundamentally different approach
> > > to responsibilities on the Internet. We think the author of the
> > > information is responsible for his own actions, not the provider."
> 
> I hope the IRA blows up these Internet Watch motherfuckers.

If I don`t get there first...

> Is this Blair guy any saner than the tory bastards?

Calling any democratic polotician, especially in the UK, sane, is a big 
mistake. However, if we may rephrase and ask if he is any less deranged 
we can safely answer "no".

I heard a wonderful comment on the cryptography@c2 list earlier that Jack 
Straw (the new Labour home secretary, who is in charge of law and order) 
may be defined as the only person for whom anal sex with michael howard 
(his predecessor) counts as masturbation. They both even look deranged 
(Michael Howard looked rather like a serial killer and jack straw looks 
like a church reject). I don`t know about crypto policy, Labour are 
supposed to be opposed to mandatory GAK but this is of course a small 
issue when put in perspective. The new labour administration are a group 
of anti-drugs, anti-"crime" misfits who I hope go the same way as the 
previous leader of the labour party, John Smith, who died of a heart attack.

Just to give you some overview of the fuck ups we now have governing the 
UK I present a list of proposals Tony Blair and his motley crew have made in 
the last year:

Mandatory minimum sentencing for repeat offenders regardless of the 
opinion of the judge.

State set curfews for all children under 16 regardless of their parents 
wishes.

Parents to be held responsible for the crimes of their children if the 
children repeat offend.

Several vague allusions towards internet censorship schemes or mandatory 
web page rating using PICS.

Minimum wage for full time employees, regardless of the empolyees skills 
or the wishes of the employer.

Further action to prevent "bias" and "discrimination" in the workplace, 
eg. "Employ this unskilled bone idle coon and we`ll lower your 
corporation tax 2%"

Further plans for yet more CCTV cameras in public places.

Mandatory ID cards for citizens (This one sounds like a joke, believe me 
it is not).

A ban on all handguns even when registered (currently all pistols above 
.22 are banned and all guns have to be registered in a process whereby if 
the applicant for a certificate has any history of political dissention 
or crime (eg. Smoking a joint, the ultimate sin against society) the 
certificate will be refused.

Yet more spending on welfare to support the pieces of shit in the gutter 
I pass every day.



> > And if he chooses not to remove the content you happen to find offensive?
> > If you truly believed in the rights of the author and publisher of the
> > information you would think about it before sending in your own
> > particular brand of thugs to "crush the mutiny".
> 
> Perhaps we should further expose XS4ALL's hypocricy by renting from the
> web space and putting up some pages they won't like.

I think this is an excellent idea, I`ll call or mail them in a few days 
to find out their pricing structure.


> > > Yet when violation of the law is flagrant, XS4ALL doesn't hesitate to
> > > comply, as it did a few weeks ago when it shut down a customer's home
> > > page called Neuroroom, which sold marijuana and other soft drugs in
> > > Holland and abroad.
> >
> > Sometimes one really wonders why we bother to set up mirrors to allow
> > freedom of information to users, when the owners of these servers,
> > supposedly in favour of free speech, do not even have the strength of
> > character or conviction to decide for themselves what they will allow on
> > their servers rather than bending over for the long cock of the law...
> 
> The ISP is not a court to decide that a web page offering MJ for
> sale is "illegal".

Absolutely, besides which, even though I believe in the right of people 
to be as bigotted and statist as they see fit, there are only so many 
causes we can support and coming in on the side of XS4ALL knowing their 
record seems ill advised to me. If they truly deserved our support they 
would retain the pages whether they were legal or not.

> > > "Basically any project we like gets free resources from XS4ALL,"
> > > Rodriquez commented.
> >
> > And anyone who guarantees to publicly lick the boots of the benevolent
> > owners in thanks for their support gets as much free space as they like?
> >
> > Of course I believe in the right to free expression of anyone and if
> > these thugs choose not to allow material they don`t like on their servers
> > they have every right to remove it. I just don`t see that setting up
> > mirrors to defeat blocks on sites that refuse to carry certain content is
> > of any value in the fight for free speech. Sure, create a mirror of
> > Radikal, but giving any credit or attribution to XS4ALL seems to be a
> > poor choice.
> 
> My understanding is that Radikal is a harmless, toothless liberal rag
> that the Germans had no grounds for censoring in the first place.
> Mirroring it is no big deal. How about mirroring the MJ page that
> the bastards at XS4ALL censored?

I actually went to the page once, nearly brought some bud but as I recall 
they didn`t have an SSL link so I chose not to transmit my CCN.

I don`t have a copy, but if XS4ALL have any balls at all they will send 
us a copy. I`ll get onto them about this later.

> Actually, I don't think mirroring is a good technology either.
> The "eternal server" posted a few days ago seems VERY VERY promising,
> I'm very exited about this technology - many many thanks.

No, it isn`t really but was, for all intents and purposes, the best we 
had. I haven`t yet seen the eternal server idea but I`ll trawl the 
archives for it.


Paul "Can`t really be bothered to re-do his .sig file yet" Bradley

Paul Bradley writes:

> Just to give you some overview of the fuck ups we now have governing the 
> UK I present a list of proposals Tony Blair and his motley crew have made in 
> the last year:

> Mandatory minimum sentencing for repeat offenders regardless of the 
> opinion of the judge.

> State set curfews for all children under 16 regardless of their parents 
> wishes.

> Parents to be held responsible for the crimes of their children if the 
> children repeat offend.

> Several vague allusions towards internet censorship schemes or mandatory 
> web page rating using PICS.

> Minimum wage for full time employees, regardless of the empolyees skills 
> or the wishes of the employer.

> Further action to prevent "bias" and "discrimination" in the workplace, 
> eg. "Employ this unskilled [racially insensitive term] and we`ll lower 
> your corporation tax 2%"

> Further plans for yet more CCTV cameras in public places.

> Mandatory ID cards for citizens (This one sounds like a joke, believe me 
> it is not).

> A ban on all handguns even when registered (currently all pistols above 
> .22 are banned and all guns have to be registered in a process whereby if 
> the applicant for a certificate has any history of political dissention 
> or crime (eg. Smoking a joint, the ultimate sin against society) the 
> certificate will be refused.

> Yet more spending on welfare to support the pieces of shit in the gutter 
> I pass every day.

Blair has learned his Clinton lessons well.  When I see the evolution
of so-called multi-party systems where all candidates will fuck with
your rights equally well, it makes me wax fondly back to the old Soviet
Union.  Although there was only one party, the citizens were at least
able to vote "None of the Above."

I wonder how many seats would be filled in our government if the last
step in the electoral process was a ratification of a single candidate
by the voters.  

--
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Mike Duvos wrote:
> Paul Bradley writes:
> > A ban on all handguns even when registered (currently all pistols above 
> > .22 are banned and all guns have to be registered in a process whereby if 
> > the applicant for a certificate has any history of political dissention 
> > or crime (eg. Smoking a joint, the ultimate sin against society) the 
> > certificate will be refused.

What would be an example of such political dissention?

	- Igor.

> > > A ban on all handguns even when registered (currently all pistols above 
> > > .22 are banned and all guns have to be registered in a process whereby if 
> > > the applicant for a certificate has any history of political dissention 
> > > or crime (eg. Smoking a joint, the ultimate sin against society) the 
> > > certificate will be refused.
> 
> What would be an example of such political dissention?

Well, I`m pretty sure that, having recently been involved in campaigns 
against the ban on handguns, written to a number of people in positions 
of power over the proposed TTP scheme in the DTI white paper etc. my 
firearms licence will not be renewed the next time it comes up for review.
The powers that be now presumably see me as a loon.

A damning enditement on the British people is that last time I mentioned 
to someone my having written to the home office and others over the 
proposed gun ban I was called a lunatic and told "The sort of person who 
writes to the home office over something like that is the least suitable 
to have a gun".

I can assure you this is not a one-off, this happens every time people who 
don`t shoot find out I do. They have been brainwashed by the 
tabloid press, for example, the daily mail ran a particularly vitriolic 
hate campaign against gun owners singling out Albie Fox, leader of the 
campaign against the ban, and calling him a "Gun obsessed lunatic".
This, recall, is the same daily mail which rants every day about the 
"evil of drugs" and how the only way to "save society" is to throw 
everyone who doesn`t support their particular brand of bigoted fanaticism 
into jail for the rest of their life.

And of course, one would imagine that those who actually owned guns and 
used them for sport themselves would be the most informed people who 
would realise that the criminal use of guns is at the opposite end of the 
scale to the sporting use allowed in British law. However, I know several 
people who have said "I`m happy to give up my guns if it will save 
lives", to this I simply reply "who were you going to kill?" then walk 
away, these people don`t even deserve correcting as their bullshit is so 
deep.

In addition, when the police revoke or refuse to renew a firearms 
certificate, they do not need to give a reason, so one cannot even prove 
that it was because of speech or opinions they didn`t like that they 
revoked the certificate. Even if you could, it is unlikely a challenge in 
court would succeed, the UK does not have the same free speech guarantees 
as are given in the US and elsewhere, and any court challenge would fail, 
of that I am sure.

Also, to worsen the situation, the labour party has now come to power and 
as I have already explained in a previous post this make matters even worse.

sounds like high time to get out of that country.

plus, in america programmers get paid a lot better than there.

igor

Paul Bradley wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > > > A ban on all handguns even when registered (currently all pistols above 
> > > > .22 are banned and all guns have to be registered in a process whereby if 
> > > > the applicant for a certificate has any history of political dissention 
> > > > or crime (eg. Smoking a joint, the ultimate sin against society) the 
> > > > certificate will be refused.
> > 
> > What would be an example of such political dissention?
> 
> Well, I`m pretty sure that, having recently been involved in campaigns 
> against the ban on handguns, written to a number of people in positions 
> of power over the proposed TTP scheme in the DTI white paper etc. my 
> firearms licence will not be renewed the next time it comes up for review.
> The powers that be now presumably see me as a loon.
> 
> A damning enditement on the British people is that last time I mentioned 
> to someone my having written to the home office and others over the 
> proposed gun ban I was called a lunatic and told "The sort of person who 
> writes to the home office over something like that is the least suitable 
> to have a gun".
> 
> I can assure you this is not a one-off, this happens every time people who 
> don`t shoot find out I do. They have been brainwashed by the 
> tabloid press, for example, the daily mail ran a particularly vitriolic 
> hate campaign against gun owners singling out Albie Fox, leader of the 
> campaign against the ban, and calling him a "Gun obsessed lunatic".
> This, recall, is the same daily mail which rants every day about the 
> "evil of drugs" and how the only way to "save society" is to throw 
> everyone who doesn`t support their particular brand of bigoted fanaticism 
> into jail for the rest of their life.
> 
> And of course, one would imagine that those who actually owned guns and 
> used them for sport themselves would be the most informed people who 
> would realise that the criminal use of guns is at the opposite end of the 
> scale to the sporting use allowed in British law. However, I know several 
> people who have said "I`m happy to give up my guns if it will save 
> lives", to this I simply reply "who were you going to kill?" then walk 
> away, these people don`t even deserve correcting as their bullshit is so 
> deep.
> 
> In addition, when the police revoke or refuse to renew a firearms 
> certificate, they do not need to give a reason, so one cannot even prove 
> that it was because of speech or opinions they didn`t like that they 
> revoked the certificate. Even if you could, it is unlikely a challenge in 
> court would succeed, the UK does not have the same free speech guarantees 
> as are given in the US and elsewhere, and any court challenge would fail, 
> of that I am sure.
> 
> Also, to worsen the situation, the labour party has now come to power and 
> as I have already explained in a previous post this make matters even worse.
> 
> 



	- Igor.

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In <Pine.LNX.3.91.970505102129.509B-100000@fatmans.demon.co.uk>, on
05/05/97 at 04:37 AM,
   Paul Bradley <paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk> said:




>> > > A ban on all handguns even when registered (currently all pistols above 
>> > > .22 are banned and all guns have to be registered in a process whereby if 
>> > > the applicant for a certificate has any history of political dissention 
>> > > or crime (eg. Smoking a joint, the ultimate sin against society) the 
>> > > certificate will be refused.
>> 
>> What would be an example of such political dissention?

>Well, I`m pretty sure that, having recently been involved in campaigns 
>against the ban on handguns, written to a number of people in positions 
>of power over the proposed TTP scheme in the DTI white paper etc. my 
>firearms licence will not be renewed the next time it comes up for review.
>The powers that be now presumably see me as a loon.

>A damning enditement on the British people is that last time I mentioned 
>to someone my having written to the home office and others over the 
>proposed gun ban I was called a lunatic and told "The sort of person who 
>writes to the home office over something like that is the least suitable 
>to have a gun".

>I can assure you this is not a one-off, this happens every time people who
> don`t shoot find out I do. They have been brainwashed by the  tabloid
>press, for example, the daily mail ran a particularly vitriolic  hate
>campaign against gun owners singling out Albie Fox, leader of the 
>campaign against the ban, and calling him a "Gun obsessed lunatic". This,
>recall, is the same daily mail which rants every day about the  "evil of
>drugs" and how the only way to "save society" is to throw  everyone who
>doesn`t support their particular brand of bigoted fanaticism  into jail
>for the rest of their life.

>And of course, one would imagine that those who actually owned guns and 
>used them for sport themselves would be the most informed people who 
>would realise that the criminal use of guns is at the opposite end of the 
>scale to the sporting use allowed in British law. However, I know several 
>people who have said "I`m happy to give up my guns if it will save 
>lives", to this I simply reply "who were you going to kill?" then walk 
>away, these people don`t even deserve correcting as their bullshit is so 
>deep.

>In addition, when the police revoke or refuse to renew a firearms 
>certificate, they do not need to give a reason, so one cannot even prove 
>that it was because of speech or opinions they didn`t like that they 
>revoked the certificate. Even if you could, it is unlikely a challenge in 
>court would succeed, the UK does not have the same free speech guarantees 
>as are given in the US and elsewhere, and any court challenge would fail, 
>of that I am sure.

>Also, to worsen the situation, the labour party has now come to power and 
>as I have already explained in a previous post this make matters even
>worse.

Well wait until after the next elections when we have a Republican
administration and apply for political asylum. :)

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"crimes against Democracy". Anyone for Nurnburg II? -- 
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Paul Bradley <paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Absolutely, besides which, even though I believe in the right of people 
>to be as bigotted and statist as they see fit, there are only so many 
>causes we can support and coming in on the side of XS4ALL knowing their 
>record seems ill advised to me. If they truly deserved our support they 
>would retain the pages whether they were legal or not.

  Funny, I didn't notice that *you* supported XS4ALL in the first place.

  Besides, you fail to understand that those who put up Radikal
mirrors didn't do it to support XS4ALL (mirroring just one of their
customers' pages doesn't help them much, eh?), but to fight for
free speech.

  Why don't you host that marijuana vendor's pages on your website?

   --Faktor 4