Re: Jim Bell Complaint

William Geiger wrote:

>After reading the complaint I have to say that with friends like that
>who needs enemies?

True, if that's what the friends actually said, and if they were
not induced to do so by being fed lethal information: don't
go down with Bell, protect yourself, spill your guts.

Recall that John Painter spoke to one or more of them
and they hedged the remarks of the complaint, but he,
too, saw the makings of a deal in the affadavit's allegations.

Turning friends against friends is pretty common in
investigations, using threats and promises of relief
from possible charges, even saying that your friend is
squealing on you.

I was struck by how similar some remarks attributed to
Bell were to those attributed to McVeigh, not that they
were not made, but that the investigators chose to
select just those to indicate lethal intent. 

The possible link between the McVeigh trial and Jim Bell's 
bust could indicate how the feds are itching to attack
every advocate of anti-gov mayhem (no pun Tim).

The IRS searching the Internet for incriminating advocacy 
is a warning of what's to come, as often predicted here.

Time to study and ponder the 1st Amend -- which, by the way,
Matt Blaze did at the NYC crypto forum last night to challenge
Charney and Denning. Matt pulled out a copy and cited
it, which may be a good indication of what he knows that
we don't about what's coming.

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on or about 970523:2113 John Young <jya@pipeline.com> expostulated:

+Time to study and ponder the 1st Amend -- which, by the way, Matt Blaze
+did at the NYC crypto forum last night to challenge Charney and
+Denning. Matt pulled out a copy and cited it, which may be a good
+indication of what he knows that we don't about what's coming.

    not only the gawd-awful truth, but the gawd-awful _fear_.

    Bubba's hypocrasy at U. Conn will shortly be proved in spades
    as the first amendment falls "...in the interest of national 
    security...."

    or the evidence of NWMBs (New World Mega Business) with the 
    impending transfer of the US Patent office into a private 
    enterprise for the more expedient rape, pillage, and burn of 
    development by NWMBs.

    Government in the sunshine is a hoax --our so called government, a 
    government of greed and power, can not afford our sunshine.

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In <1.5.4.32.19970524011320.0094f5f4@pop.pipeline.com>, on 05/23/97 
   at 07:13 PM, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> said:

>Time to study and ponder the 1st Amend -- which, by the way, Matt Blaze
>did at the NYC crypto forum last night to challenge Charney and Denning.
>Matt pulled out a copy and cited
>it, which may be a good indication of what he knows that
>we don't about what's coming.

I found it quite troubling the number of legal activities that were cited
in the complaint as if they were illegal.

- -- Possesion of "assault weapons"
- -- Possession of documents on explosives
- -- Possession of documents on poisons
- -- Possession of documents on biological agents
- -- Possession of documents regarding the adverse affects of carbon fibers
on electrical equipment.

All of the above "crimes" I am guilty of as:

Thanks to the 2nd amendment it is still legal in this country to own a
gun. If I recall right when "assault weapon" became a popular Washington
buzz word it referred to any semi-automatic weapon.

Documentation on explosives, poisons, and biological agents can be found
in numerous text books & articles on chemistry, engineering, biology, and
medical sciences. Due to my schooling and work in both the engineering &
medical fields I have an entire wall of my office covered with such books
and articles.

I don't posess any documents on carbon fibers but I would think that it is
obvious to anyone with an IQ greater than their shoe size (or that of an
IRS agent) that electronic equipment introduced to copper coated fibers
are not long for this world. :)


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At 9:13 PM -0400 5/23/97, John Young wrote:

>Time to study and ponder the 1st Amend -- which, by the way,
>Matt Blaze did at the NYC crypto forum last night to challenge
>Charney and Denning. Matt pulled out a copy and cited
>it, which may be a good indication of what he knows that
>we don't about what's coming.

When I was in high school, about 30 years ago, much was made of a alleged
public opinion survey in which Americans on the street were asked what they
thought of a document they were shown.

According to the story, a majority thought the document was some kind of
leftist, communist, illegal propaganda.

Obviously you all know what document they were shown.

--Tim May



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