Re: Disinformation in L.A.

Didn't her boss's murderer walk on the charge by using the defence
that he ate too many Twinkies?
  No political intrigue here...

On Wed, May 14, 1997 at 09:28:16AM -0400, Tom Allard wrote:
> >   Didn't her boss's murderer walk on the charge by using the defence
> > that he ate too many Twinkies?
> >   No political intrigue here...
> 
> That was the defense, yes.  Dan White was a former cop and treated like a 
> hero by fellow cops.  The prosecution never really challenged the Twinkie 
> defense, nor did they bring up politics or homophobia as motives.  With a 
> prosecution like that, who needs a defense?

Dan White committed suicide, after a while.  He probably died sooner
than the state could have killed him, with appeals and all.  Anyway, 
Feinstein has had a fair amount of first hand experience with gun 
violence -- more than most people on this list.  Her stand on gun 
control is probably the most principled and honest one she has made.

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>Dan White committed suicide, after a while.  He probably died sooner than
>the state could have killed him, with appeals and all.  Anyway, Feinstein
>has had a fair amount of first hand experience with gun violence -- more
>than most people on this list.  Her stand on gun control is probably the
>most principled and honest one she has made.

Dan White, San Francisco Supervisor and killer of Mayor Moscone and Harvey
Milk (1978) committed suicide after he had been released from serving his 5
years and 2 months maximum sentence for manslaughter.  (Depression which made
him incapable of forming the specific intent required to be guilty of
murder.)  Feinstein had been a friend of his when he was on the Board of
Supes and it is possible that one of the reasons he lost it during the crisis
over his resignation and attempt to get back on the Board was because
Feinstein was in Nepal on her honeymoon (millionaire second husband) and
wasn't there to support him. 

[I may be partially to blame as well.  I was living in Dan White's district
(the oppressed white working class part of SF) at the time of his original
election.  He dropped by the house and solicited my vote.  I voted for him,
in fact.  And he certainly turned out to be a supporter of the revolutionary
aspirations of his community.  The least disappointing politician I ever
voted for.]

Feinstein want to grab your guns because she is an authoritarian.  Not
because of any particular experiences she's had with guns.  She has shown
equal contempt for the First Amendment and the Second.  She's ma woman and a
commie liberal.  What can one expect.

While mayor of San Francisco, she indulged in a number of famous suppressions
of free speech:

1)  She cancelled the appearance of the Turkish Folklorico Ballet because of
demonstration threats from the (no longer starving) Armenians.

2)  She tried to ban the showing of whatever that dumb New York gang movie
was after a stabbing at one of the theaters showing it.

3)  She pressured a clothing store to pull its billboard ad campaign
"Feinstyle" which featured a (fully clothed) reclining, look-alike model
wearing her sort of scarf and business attire.

Her current humorous attempt to ban "bomb plans" from the Net is just part of
the pattern.  [Humorous because such bans went out the door with Gutenberg
about 500 years ago.]

Her administration also attempted to ban handgun sales in San Franciso but
because California gun nuts had long ago enacted one of the state preemption
laws that the NRA used to push, the courts threw her ban out.  [These laws
say that only the state government can regulate guns.]

If I were her, I'd probably "fear the revolutionary justice of the people" as
well.  [If you've ever seen film of these female congresscritters brandishing
assault rifles at a dog and pony show where they are supposed to examine
these "weapons of war", you'd certainly agree that *they* shouldn't be
allowed to handle guns.]

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Duncan Frissell <frissell@panix.com> writes:
> While mayor of San Francisco, she indulged in a number of famous suppressions
> of free speech:
> 
> 1)  She cancelled the appearance of the Turkish Folklorico Ballet because of
> demonstration threats from the (no longer starving) Armenians.

Yes - Armenians are censorous scum.  I'm sorry the Turks didn't get
Ray Arachelian's grandparents.

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On Fri, 16 May 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:

> Yes - Armenians are censorous scum.  I'm sorry the Turks didn't get
> Ray Arachelian's grandparents.

Yawn.  Keep trying Vulis. :)

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On Fri, May 16, 1997 at 11:07:32AM -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote:
>Feinstein had been a friend of his when he was on the Board of
>Supes and it is possible that one of the reasons he lost it during the crisis
>over his resignation and attempt to get back on the Board was because
>Feinstein was in Nepal on her honeymoon (millionaire second husband) and
>wasn't there to support him. 

BTW, do you remember what happened to her first husband?

[...]

>Feinstein want to grab your guns because she is an authoritarian.  Not
>because of any particular experiences she's had with guns.

You are in denial.  Her firsthand experience with gun violence has 
clearly been a serious formative factor in her values and opinions.  
However, I agree that she has authoritarian tendencies.  Furthermore, 
she is, in my opinion, pretty lightweight intellectually -- not quite to 
the Reagan level, perhaps, but (as Reagan demonstrated) one doesn't 
need intelligence to succeed in politics.

>  She has shown
>equal contempt for the First Amendment and the Second.  She's ma woman and a
                                                               ^^^^^^^^
Please translate?
>commie liberal.  What can one expect.

>While mayor of San Francisco, she indulged in a number of famous suppressions
>of free speech:
>
>1)  She cancelled the appearance of the Turkish Folklorico Ballet because of
>demonstration threats from the (no longer starving) Armenians.
>
>2)  She tried to ban the showing of whatever that dumb New York gang movie
>was after a stabbing at one of the theaters showing it.
>
>3)  She pressured a clothing store to pull its billboard ad campaign
>"Feinstyle" which featured a (fully clothed) reclining, look-alike model
>wearing her sort of scarf and business attire.

Oh, give me a break, Duncan.  These are absolutely pathetic 
examples.  Much more indicative of her "caliber", I think, was her 
mind-numbing efforts to get a new stadium built.

...

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> Dan White committed suicide, after a while.  He probably died sooner than
> the state could have killed him, with appeals and all.  Anyway, Feinstein
> has had a fair amount of first hand experience with gun violence -- more
> than most people on this list.  Her stand on gun control is probably the
> most principled and honest one she has made.

He committed suicide in Oct 1985, after being released in Jan 1985.

Gun control wouldn't have stopped Dan White.  He was a former cop.

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At 11:22 PM -0800 5/14/97, Kent Crispin wrote:

>than the state could have killed him, with appeals and all.  Anyway,
>Feinstein has had a fair amount of first hand experience with gun
>violence -- more than most people on this list.  Her stand on gun
>control is probably the most principled and honest one she has made.

I agree. Her stand on gun control and guns _is_ her most principle and
honest one.

After all, she lobbied for gun control, denied she had ever carried a gun,
was found to have been carrying a gun in her purse while denying it and
while proposing to disarm the rest of us, and then dismissed her carrying
of the gun on the grounds that it was just a "teeny little gun" (or
something like this...I don't have her exact quote handy).

Her other stands are even less honest and principled than this, so Kent is
techically correct.

--Tim May

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>   Didn't her boss's murderer walk on the charge by using the defence
> that he ate too many Twinkies?
>   No political intrigue here...

That was the defense, yes.  Dan White was a former cop and treated like a 
hero by fellow cops.  The prosecution never really challenged the Twinkie 
defense, nor did they bring up politics or homophobia as motives.  With a 
prosecution like that, who needs a defense?

rgds-- TA  (tallard@frb.gov)
I don't speak for the Federal Reserve Board, it doesn't speak for me.
pgp fingerprint: 10 49 F5 24 F1 D9 A7 D6  DE 14 25 C8 C0 E2 57 9D