NODE b15e54e3New Chip Verifies Fingerprints (fwd)
decius@ninja.techwood.org (Decius 6i5)Fri, 23 May 1997 12:50:03 +0800
> Veridicom, a spinoff of Lucent Technologies, just demoed (at
> CardTech/SecurTech '97) their chip that can perform fingerprint
> recognition/authorization. They plan on selling them for $300 each
> (same cost as this face recognition system Gregory's mentioned). The
> article doesn't say when they will be available.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/chronicle/article.cgi?file=BU41045.DTL&
> directory=/chronicle/archive/1997/05/22
I am mailing this to cypherpunks and BCCing the original list because it
is not nearly as open. I am putting on my cypherpunk hat here, and
although this is not a general discussion list I think this warrants
comment. (I would also like to see what the cypherpunks have to say.)
Eric Hughes said that "Cryptography is about economics."
When I am designing a system, I weigh the cost of securing the system
verses the expected loss that will be incurred if the system is not
secure. The cellular phone industry decided that it would cost them more
to secure their system than it would to swallow the losses. They were
wrong, but I will not digress into that. The point here is clear. Security
is an economic choice. It is a business decision. Furthermore, if I decide
to secure a system, I need only use enough security such that the cost to
break that security is equal to the value of that which is being secured.
Any additional security is a waste of money.
When I am breaking a system I will always attack the weakest link (unless
I am doing this for intellectual challenge but that is not really the
point here). This is obvious. Lets take a look at a sample Biometric
security system: Fingerprints are used to replace the pin codes on an ATM.
I am being very general here, but there are four main peices to this
system. The banking network itself, which is DES encrypted, the ATM,
the biometric system and the human being. Note the contrast with a
non-biometric system, which consists of the network, the ATM, and
a pin code. Biometrics pull the human into the equation.
Cracking DES would cost more than a million dollars.
I can't put a value on cracking the ATM, but they are designed to be
difficult to open up and most are in places where they are very visible,
so the cost is very high.
I have not seen anyone present a method for attacking a biometric security
device. If you assume that you will have to develop one you are again
talking about millions.
How about "cracking" the human... How much does a good sturdy knife cost?
Less than $20.
If I get mugged and the mugger wants access to my bank account all he has
to do is chop off the relevant finger. Don't laugh. This *WILL* happen.
Biometrics create an general economic incentive for maiming or murdering
people.
I will take you one further... *When you implement a biometric system you
are deciding that the value of that which is being protected is greater
than the value of the lives of the people who have access to it.*
This is obvious if you look at the trade-offs. You are securing the system
such that the easiest way to break it is to kill a person. Obviously this
will reduce your instances of fraud, as killing a person is more messy
then hacking a pin code. However, because the cost of killing someone is
smaller than the value of the object being protected, there are going to
be losses. You have to decide that you are capable of swallowing those
losses. You have to decide that the value of the decrease in fraud over
a non-biometric system is greater than that of the lives of the people who
are lost when fraud does occur. This is a despicable situation, but don't
think you won't see it. It is probably inevitable now.
One additional point. The possibilities for surveilance inherent in
biometrics are fearsome. If I managed to compile a large database of
people's names, social security numbers, and face prints; I could set up a
closed circuit camera system in my store which would provide me with the
name, home address, credit, and other information about every person who
enters my business, AUTOMATICALLY, without the customers even being
cognisant that this is going on. The marketing people will be going nutz
over this possibility. I'm going to the drug store for some Pepto...
--
*/^\* Tom Cross AKA Decius 615 AKA The White Ninja */^\*
Decius@ninja.techwood.org
"If the economic, social and political conditions... do not offer a basis
for the realization of individuality, while at the same time people have
lost those ties which gave them security... powerful tendencies arise to
escape from freedom into submission." -- Erich Fromm
NODE f9ca1115Re: New Chip Verifies Fingerprints (fwd)
Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com>Fri, 23 May 1997 14:36:57 +0800
On Fri, May 23, 1997 at 12:27:28AM -0400, Decius 6i5 wrote:
> > Veridicom, a spinoff of Lucent Technologies, just demoed (at
[...]
>
> If I get mugged and the mugger wants access to my bank account all he has
> to do is chop off the relevant finger. Don't laugh. This *WILL* happen.
> Biometrics create an general economic incentive for maiming or murdering
> people.
I'm not so sure that this is realistic. I have heard that earlier
fingerprint reading cards were very sensitive to size distortion --
that is, if you swung your arm in a circle to increase the blood
pressure in your hand, they would give a false reading, because of the
swelling in the fingers would be sufficient to throw off the
recognition software -- a smart card isn't *that* smart. A problem
of false negatives.
If you cut off a finger the blood pressure will go to zero, and the
dimensions will change quite a bit, relatively speaking.
> I will take you one further... *When you implement a biometric system you
> are deciding that the value of that which is being protected is greater
> than the value of the lives of the people who have access to it.*
>
> This is obvious if you look at the trade-offs. You are securing the system
> such that the easiest way to break it is to kill a person. Obviously this
> will reduce your instances of fraud, as killing a person is more messy
> then hacking a pin code. However, because the cost of killing someone is
> smaller than the value of the object being protected, there are going to
> be losses. You have to decide that you are capable of swallowing those
> losses. You have to decide that the value of the decrease in fraud over
> a non-biometric system is greater than that of the lives of the people who
> are lost when fraud does occur. This is a despicable situation, but don't
> think you won't see it. It is probably inevitable now.
You don't have to kill or maim some to induce cooperation, and
biometric devices can be designed to pretty much require that the
subject be living. Extortion or seduction are both quite viable, and
work with any security system. Biometrics don't really add
anything.
Your point is just as meaningful for cryptography. All strong crypto
does is move the weak spot around.
Incidentally, I have heard (from a probably reliable source) that the
best biometric is a retina scan -- very reliable, hard to spoof,
*very* few false negatives. [False positives are real bad for any
security system, of course. False negatives are why you want back up
modes of access.]
--
Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited",
kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke...
PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55
http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html
NODE 4a57eb9fRe: New Chip Verifies Fingerprints (fwd)
dichro@yodel.iinet.net.au (Mikolaj J. Habryn)Fri, 23 May 1997 14:42:55 +0800
>>>>> "D6" == Decius 6i5 <decius@ninja.techwood.org> writes:
D6> If I get mugged and the mugger wants access to my bank account
D6> all he has to do is chop off the relevant finger. Don't
D6> laugh. This *WILL* happen. Biometrics create an general
D6> economic incentive for maiming or murdering people.
Not to detract from your philosophical point, but I saw a
demonstration of a similar device over six years ago which not only
sampled the fingerprint pattern, but also the blood vessels beneath
the skin and blood flow patterns. The intent was, obviously, to
increase the difficulty level of creating a synthetic replacement, but
an (incidental?) advantage is that cutting off the finger in question
and presenting it without a blood supply would not work. While it is
still feasible to attach artificial blood pumping mechanisms etc, it
is no longer a $20 equipment budget.
D6> I will take you one further... *When you implement a biometric
D6> system you are deciding that the value of that which is being
D6> protected is greater than the value of the lives of the people
D6> who have access to it.*
Once again, this assumes that the biometric system does not require
a living breathing subject to work upon. This is not necessarily a
valid assumption. Whilst the simpler systems may indeed be fooled
(although that is perhaps not the best term) by morbid samples, it is
certainly feasible to require living tissue.
The remainder of your argument, which I shan't quote, likewise
revolves around the assertion that killing someone will always gain
you the access you desire. This is untrue. If you wish to push this
further, you could add stress analysis features to catch people
operating under coercion, and quick blood sampling to catch those
drugged into placidity who would otherwise be stressed (and
incidentally, any substance abuse that you might be interested in).
D6> One additional point. The possibilities for surveilance
D6> inherent in biometrics are fearsome. If I managed to compile a
D6> large database of people's names, social security numbers, and
D6> face prints; I could set up a closed circuit camera system in
D6> my store which would provide me with the name, home address,
D6> credit, and other information about every person who enters my
D6> business, AUTOMATICALLY, without the customers even being
D6> cognisant that this is going on. The marketing people will be
D6> going nutz over this possibility. I'm going to the drug store
D6> for some Pepto...
Now, this /is/ an important concern. However, there's little way
around it. Authentication revolves around, in most cases, a high
assurance of the identity of something. The technique of
authentication is less of a concern than the possibilities of linking
diverse records together into a single database - and that is a more
interesting problem to try to solve.
m.