Re: Too few cypherpunks nodes. (fwd)

Forwarded message:

> Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 14:10:59 +0100
> From: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: Too few cypherpunks nodes.

> Does anyone know how many people are using Jim's cypherpunks@ssz.com?

I don't even check, less than 100 for shure and probably less than 25.
Don't remember seeing that many notices of subscription to the cpunks list.
There are a LOT of info and help requests though.

> Also I might point out that the afforded privacy is mostly illusionary
> because any TLA who cared could observe the mail fanning out from
> ssz.com with Sender: cypherpunks-owner@ssz.com and reconstruct the
> list in short order.

True, but in that case they can simply walk in with a subpeonae and take it
as well, it is sitting there in a plain text file. The reason I do this is to
minimize spammings and other such attacks it is not to protect anyone from a
truly determined assault but rather from those marketing idiots out there
with no clue as to anything close to reasonable behaviour.

And yes, I realize that this can be defeated by simply subscribing to the
mailing list and watching your incoming as you reference above.
(Hint: I ain't a marketing weenie)

There are other boogey-men than just TLA's....who in my opinion are the
easiest to deal with.

                                                    Jim Choate
                                                    CyberTects
                                                    ravage@ssz.com

Jim Choate wrote:
> Forwarded message:
> > Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 14:10:59 +0100
> > From: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk>
> > Subject: Re: Too few cypherpunks nodes.
> > Does anyone know how many people are using Jim's cypherpunks@ssz.com?
> 
> I don't even check, less than 100 for shure and probably less than 25.
> Don't remember seeing that many notices of subscription to the cpunks list.
> There are a LOT of info and help requests though.

Maybe we should put together a short document describing what cypherpunks
lists are there and how to choose them. We can mentions all nodes -- ssz,
cyberpass, and algebra -- in that document.

> > Also I might point out that the afforded privacy is mostly illusionary
> > because any TLA who cared could observe the mail fanning out from
> > ssz.com with Sender: cypherpunks-owner@ssz.com and reconstruct the
> > list in short order.
> 
> True, but in that case they can simply walk in with a subpeonae and take it
> as well, it is sitting there in a plain text file. The reason I do this is to
> minimize spammings and other such attacks it is not to protect anyone from a
> truly determined assault but rather from those marketing idiots out there
> with no clue as to anything close to reasonable behaviour.

This sounds like a reasonable choice, although I chose not to do it.

	- Igor.

On Sat, 24 May 1997 23:54:06 -0500 (CDT), Igor Chudov
(ichudov@algebra.com) wrote:

> Maybe we should put together a short document describing what cypherpunks
> lists are there and how to choose them. We can mentions all nodes -- ssz,
> cyberpass, and algebra -- in that document.

I've tried to do that on my Cypherpunks-overview Web page at

	http://world.std.com/~franl/crypto/cypherpunks.html

The Cypherpunks Home Page at

	http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/cypherpunks/Home.html

is out of date regarding the state of the mailing list (and has many
broken links as well).  As I type this, the above host is up but its
Web server is not.
--
Francis Litterio                           PGP Key Fingerprint:
franl@world.std.omit-this.com              02 37 DF 6C 66 43 CD 2C
http://world.std.omit-this.com/~franl/     10 C8 B5 8B 57 34 F3 21
Note: email address and WWW URL altered to prevent spam.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary 
 safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin, ~1784

Francis Litterio wrote:
> (ichudov@algebra.com) wrote:
> 
> > Maybe we should put together a short document describing what cypherpunks
> > lists are there and how to choose them. We can mentions all nodes -- ssz,
> > cyberpass, and algebra -- in that document.
> 
> I've tried to do that on my Cypherpunks-overview Web page at
> 
> 	http://world.std.com/~franl/crypto/cypherpunks.html
> 

Cool! The only paragraph that needs fixing is this:

Page> To subscribe to one of the Cypherpunks mailing list distribution points
Page> send email to (one of) majordomo@algebra.com,
Page> majordomo@sirius.infonex.com, or majordomo@cyberpass.net with the
Page> following text in the body of your email message:

Actually, infonex and cyberpass are the same place. Instead, you
can list majordomo@ssz.com, majordomo@cyberpass.net, and
majordomo@algebra.com.


	- Igor.