Re: [STEGO] Secure envelopes

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To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Date: Tue May 13 16:01:35 1997

> On Tue, 13 May 1997, The Spectre wrote:
> 
> I suggest that nobody do this, as this will filter out anonymous mail
> from these remailers.  You do, of course, have the right to filter out
> whomever you want, but there are worthwhile anonymous contributions
> from these remailers.  I personally don't see what the big deal is
> with these ascii-art messages.  95% of the time, these messages are
> very easy to spot, and the remaining 5%, it takes two seconds to hit
> the "delete" key.
hmmmm.. Go figure out how many years of your life you'll waste doing that 
once you calculate how many of these messages arrive each hour, let alone 
each day.  I, personally, have been on this mailing list for a while now, 
and have never seen *any* worthwhile posts from either of those remailers, 
or any other for that matter.  If you've got something to say, say it.  
Anything less is cowardice, in one form or another.

Or, if you like, I'll remove my spam filter and you can come hit my delete 
key for me... 


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At 11:57 AM -0800 5/13/97, The Spectre wrote:

>hmmmm.. Go figure out how many years of your life you'll waste doing that
>once you calculate how many of these messages arrive each hour, let alone
>each day.  I, personally, have been on this mailing list for a while now,
>and have never seen *any* worthwhile posts from either of those remailers,
>or any other for that matter.  If you've got something to say, say it.
>Anything less is cowardice, in one form or another.

Nonsense. People use remailers for all sorts of reasons.

(Speaking for myself, and trying to be careful to not implicate myself in
further felonies, I've used the available remailers to post liberated
information of various sorts. Go back and check the archives. You'll find
that "Dumpster divings" of information from corporate conspirators (a la
Cylink, Mykotronx) was posted through anonymous remailers. Who would argue
that the cause of liberty would be better served by posting these items
under one's own name, where the Corporate State could then file lawsuits,
order midnight raids, etc.?)

As for the time to delete the Vulis spam, you must be innumerate.

--Tim May

There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws.
Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!"
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Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
tcmay@got.net  408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Higher Power: 2^1398269     | black markets, collapse of governments.
"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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On Tue, 13 May 1997, The Spectre wrote:

> hmmmm.. Go figure out how many years of your life you'll waste doing that
> once you calculate how many of these messages arrive each hour, let alone
> each day.

The time per year it takes for me to delete all these messages is about the
same as the amount of time it took me to reply to your previous message
plus the amount of time it will now take me to compose this reply.  All
back of the envelope, of course.

> I, personally, have been on this mailing list for a while now,
> and have never seen *any* worthwhile posts from either of those remailers,
> or any other for that matter.

I've been on this list for 18 months and have seen plenty of worthwhile
posts from remailers.  You're entitled to your opinion, but I strongly
disagree.

> If you've got something to say, say it.
> Anything less is cowardice, in one form or another.

So you're calling John Jay, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton cowards
(anonymous authors of the Federalist Papers)?  Many others have also used
anonymity to further the cause of liberty.  I doubt your real name is
"The Spectre" yet that is the name under which you are posting.  Are you
calling yourself a coward?



Mark
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