Re: Controversial Commercial ISP for Remailer?

Mr. Arachelian writes:
> Well, here's a thought.  Let's pool some cash together and go off and 
> spam cyberpromo from the inside.  Let's get an account there, turn it 
> around and spam everyone and their mother at cyberpromo and their 
> respective subdomains.   Wouldn't that be sweet revenge?

If vengance is your concern, this is a good idea. Neither vengance nor
righteousness is my concern, however.

Judgementally speaking, if you spam, you may not continue to condemn
spammers and be consistent.
------
Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org 
Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet

"If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the
thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power
to revoke at any moment."                      - Marcus Aurelius, 121-180

Dave Hayes wrote:
> 
> Mr. Arachelian writes:
> > Well, here's a thought.  Let's pool some cash together and go off and 
> > spam cyberpromo from the inside.  Let's get an account there, turn it 
> > around and spam everyone and their mother at cyberpromo and their 
> > respective subdomains.   Wouldn't that be sweet revenge?
> 
> If vengance is your concern, this is a good idea. Neither vengance nor
> righteousness is my concern, however.
> 
> Judgementally speaking, if you spam, you may not continue to condemn
> spammers and be consistent.

Let's say, what if instead of spamming Prof. Arachelian hacks Cyberpromo
and deletes all files there? Would it also be inconsistent, in your
view?

	- Igor.

ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes:

> Dave Hayes wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Arachelian writes:
> > > Well, here's a thought.  Let's pool some cash together and go off and
> > > spam cyberpromo from the inside.  Let's get an account there, turn it
> > > around and spam everyone and their mother at cyberpromo and their
> > > respective subdomains.   Wouldn't that be sweet revenge?
> >
> > If vengance is your concern, this is a good idea. Neither vengance nor
> > righteousness is my concern, however.
> >
> > Judgementally speaking, if you spam, you may not continue to condemn
> > spammers and be consistent.
>
> Let's say, what if instead of spamming Prof. Arachelian hacks Cyberpromo
> and deletes all files there? Would it also be inconsistent, in your
> view?

It certainly would be consistent with other terrorist acts perpetrated
by Armenian criminals off and on the net - such as the genocide of
the 2 million Moslems and Sephardic Jews in this century alone.

I am not surprised that Arachelian's employer, Earthweb, condones his
spamming.  They sound like a thoroughly corrupt and criminal organization,
since they even employ Arachelian as a network administrator.

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

On Tue, 6 May 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:

> > Let's say, what if instead of spamming Prof. Arachelian hacks Cyberpromo
> > and deletes all files there? Would it also be inconsistent, in your
> > view?
> 
> It certainly would be consistent with other terrorist acts perpetrated
> by Armenian criminals off and on the net - such as the genocide of
> the 2 million Moslems and Sephardic Jews in this century alone.
> 
> I am not surprised that Arachelian's employer, Earthweb, condones his
> spamming.  They sound like a thoroughly corrupt and criminal organization,
> since they even employ Arachelian as a network administrator.

1. What spamming?  All this was hypothetical.

2. What I do from my accounts is my business and not Earthweb's.

3. The only criminal character that has spammed here is you - see all the 
"Timmy May" messages, the "news" messages of 100K+, all the spambots 
you've writen and posted here, and your flame wars.

If anyone doubts this, they need to do a net search on the word "Vulis" 
to see your lovely work.   Crawl back under your rock, you're boring us.

If you can't come up with anything entertaining like you used to, don't 
bother.  You're repeating yourself like the broken KGB mouthpiece that 
you are.  To quote Monty Python "I fart in your general direction.  Your 
mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries."

Now, either shut up, or do something worthy of your KOTM label.  Yeah, 
and that is a challenge - incase you're too stupid to figure it out.

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On Tue, 6 May 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:

> It certainly would be consistent with other terrorist acts perpetrated
> by Armenian criminals off and on the net - such as the genocide of
> the 2 million Moslems and Sephardic Jews in this century alone.
> 
> I am not surprised that Arachelian's employer, Earthweb, condones his
> spamming.  They sound like a thoroughly corrupt and criminal organization,
> since they even employ Arachelian as a network administrator.

ROTFL! To quote the infamous snow:
"Pot. Kettle. Black."

A better question would be: How many people did you and your bots and 
your cohorts spam in this century alone?  [Including Moslems, and Jews]
And how many flame wars have you ignited?  

(And I promise that I won't tell anyone that you ate ham and cheese
sandwitches with your white bread on passover unless I do so in public.) 
:)

Now that I think about it... I suppose since Earthweb sells Java, and java
contains caffeine (virtual mind you) and caffeine is addictive, you could say
Earthweb is a virtual "drug" dealer, but corrupt and criminal?  Ha!  

Oh, before I forget, remind me to send you a pack of Oren's Earthweb Blend
coffee (which we give out at trade shows) one of these days.  The first pack
is free, once you're addicted... errrr... if you like it you can order 
more from Oren's Daily Roast.  <evil grin>

 -- End of this off topic thread.  Hehehhe! :)

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On Mon, 5 May 1997 ichudov@algebra.com wrote:

> Let's say, what if instead of spamming Prof. Arachelian hacks Cyberpromo
> and deletes all files there? Would it also be inconsistent, in your
> view?

Fictionally speaking, if the Prof. (when did I earn that title?) does 
hack Cyberpromo, the Prof wouldn't delete all the files, for doing so 
would simply cause them to restore their files from tape thus cause not 
much to happen.  No, were I to do something like that (and I wouldn't) it 
would have to be something that would keep them down for a long time, not 
for eight hours while their tape drive restores stuff.

Any suggestions as to what this would be for those out there willing to do
such a deed? :) My own suggestion would be to hack into the routers
surrounding them and set them up to connect any attempts to connect to
machines outside cyberpromo.com on port 25 back to cyberpromo's own sendmail
server.  Setting up their sendmail configs to do the same would also be a
nice backup.  That would be IMHO a proper hack.  (Anyone care to share router
hacking techniques, and how to do such a thing?-- Again, not that I would 
do this myself.)

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some of the best hacks that I heard was to install a trojan
instead of, say, cat, that would randomly change one byte in 
a randomly chosen file.

this is hard to notice, and when you do notice that, all the backups are
useless.

basically, install lots of backdoors and then play with their minds.

some ppl would steal CC# of their customers and publish them, but I would
not do it.

igor

Ray Arachelian wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 5 May 1997 ichudov@algebra.com wrote:
> 
> > Let's say, what if instead of spamming Prof. Arachelian hacks Cyberpromo
> > and deletes all files there? Would it also be inconsistent, in your
> > view?
> 
> Fictionally speaking, if the Prof. (when did I earn that title?) does 
> hack Cyberpromo, the Prof wouldn't delete all the files, for doing so 
> would simply cause them to restore their files from tape thus cause not 
> much to happen.  No, were I to do something like that (and I wouldn't) it 
> would have to be something that would keep them down for a long time, not 
> for eight hours while their tape drive restores stuff.
> 
> Any suggestions as to what this would be for those out there willing to do
> such a deed? :) My own suggestion would be to hack into the routers
> surrounding them and set them up to connect any attempts to connect to
> machines outside cyberpromo.com on port 25 back to cyberpromo's own sendmail
> server.  Setting up their sendmail configs to do the same would also be a
> nice backup.  That would be IMHO a proper hack.  (Anyone care to share router
> hacking techniques, and how to do such a thing?-- Again, not that I would 
> do this myself.)
> 
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> .+.^.+.|  Ray Arachelian    | "So make a move and plead the fifth,   |./|\.
> ..\|/..|sunder@sundernet.com|  'cause you can't pleade the first!"   |/\|/\
> <--*-->| ------------------ |                                        |\/|\/
> ../|\..| "A toast to Odin,  | For with those which eternal lie, with |.\|/.
> .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"| strange aeons, even death may die.     |.....
> ======================== http://www.sundernet.com =========================
> 



	- Igor.