Controversial Commercial ISP for Remailer?Controversial Commercial ISP for Remailer?

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Suppose you wanted a commercial ISP to run a Winsock middleman remailer on.
An ISP that was tolerant of the kinds of abuse and SPAM that remailers 
occasionally suffer from.  An ISP who'd take your money and leave you alone. 
An ISP who wouldn't drop your account because of bad publicity. 
An ISP that could be a stable anchor for a remailer system,
and maybe even for web-page remailers.

Well, such an ISP exists, but there's a catch.  It's Cyberpromo.com --
An ISP whose reputation capital was already so LOW that another 
gigabyte of flames to the postmaster wouldn't really be noticed.  
The good news is that service is pretty cheap - $50/2yrs POP+autoresponder,
or $39 one-time for a mail forwarder.  Don't know if he takes anonymous 
accounts, but probably does, since money orders are more reliable than most 
of his customers :-)  Also don't know how he'd respond to subpoenas and 
warrants (probably quickly?) or wiretap requests (he's not a telco), 
or how long before he'll be assassinated or banned or IDPd.

The bad news, of course, is that Spamford's negative reputation rubs off
on the whole remailer system, and you risk a lot more spamming and
anti-spammer attacks on your remailer (hence more administration work),
and you risk raising Spamford's public image, and it does involve
giving money to Spamford, which could be viewed as rewarding bad behaviour.
You'd probably want to limit the remailer to one email destination per 
message to cut down on spamming.

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#			Thanks;  Bill
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Huge Cajones Remailer wrote:
> Well, such an ISP exists, but there's a catch.  It's Cyberpromo.com --
> An ISP whose reputation capital was already so LOW that another 
> gigabyte of flames to the postmaster wouldn't really be noticed.  
> The good news is that service is pretty cheap - $50/2yrs POP+autoresponder,
> or $39 one-time for a mail forwarder.  Don't know if he takes anonymous 
> accounts, but probably does, since money orders are more reliable than most 
> of his customers :-)  Also don't know how he'd respond to subpoenas and 
> warrants (probably quickly?) or wiretap requests (he's not a telco), 
> or how long before he'll be assassinated or banned or IDPd.
> 
> The bad news, of course, is that Spamford's negative reputation rubs off
> on the whole remailer system, and you risk a lot more spamming and
> anti-spammer attacks on your remailer (hence more administration work),
> and you risk raising Spamford's public image, and it does involve
> giving money to Spamford, which could be viewed as rewarding bad behaviour.
> You'd probably want to limit the remailer to one email destination per 
> message to cut down on spamming.
> 
> #			Thanks;  Bill
> # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts@ix.netcom.com
> # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp
> #     (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies.  Thanks.)
> 

the problem with spamford is that many sites ignore everything (IP packets,
email messages, and so on) that comes from there.

algebra.com, for example, ignores all email from cyberpromo and all
affiliated domains.

If i discover that there is something useful taht comes out of there, *i*
may fine tune my setup, but do not hope that other sites will be as nice.

	- Igor.

On Mon, 5 May 1997 ichudov@algebra.com wrote:

> > Well, such an ISP exists, but there's a catch.  It's Cyberpromo.com --
> > An ISP whose reputation capital was already so LOW that another 
> > gigabyte of flames to the postmaster wouldn't really be noticed.  
> > The good news is that service is pretty cheap - $50/2yrs POP+autoresponder,
> > or $39 one-time for a mail forwarder.  Don't know if he takes anonymous 
> > accounts, but probably does, since money orders are more reliable than most 
> > of his customers :-)  Also don't know how he'd respond to subpoenas and 
> > warrants (probably quickly?) or wiretap requests (he's not a telco), 
> > or how long before he'll be assassinated or banned or IDPd.

> If i discover that there is something useful taht comes out of there, *i*
> may fine tune my setup, but do not hope that other sites will be as nice.

Well, here's a thought.  Let's pool some cash together and go off and 
spam cyberpromo from the inside.  Let's get an account there, turn it 
around and spam everyone and their mother at cyberpromo and their 
respective subdomains.   Wouldn't that be sweet revenge?

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