McVeigh Sentence

I was watching Dateline NBC interview the McVeigh jurors about the
trial and the interviewer asked them what they found to be the strongest
or most convincing evidence against McVeigh.
  A grandmotherly type answered that the most convincing of the evidence
against him was the pictures of the dead bodies.
  Perhaps the prosecution could have gotten McVeigh convicted on even
more charges if he had shown some pictures of heroin.

  I also watched McVeigh's lawyer give a statement that sounded like it
was prepared for him by the Whitehouse spin doctors.
  From the very first, right through to the end of the trial, I had the
feeling that McVeigh's lawyer seemed to be more of a spokesperson than
a lawyer. I've had lawyers show more skill and ferver in keeping my
dog out of the pound than he showed defending McVeigh.
  I don't know what exactly he was being paid $15 million for, but it
sure as hell wasn't for defending McVeigh. Even when he speaks about
the judge not allowing him to put on a real defense he acts like it's
just a minor matter of no real import.

  The only mystery in the trial was whether McVeigh was part of the
great pretense taking place or if he really thought his lawyer was
working in his best interests. I suspect that he's just naieve.
  I wouldn't place any large bets on MvVeigh living long enough to take
part in an Oklahoma City trial if that ever happens. The political
interests down there want more than just a showcase trial--they want
to find out the real story. Unless they get bought off or blackmailed
the Feds are going to have to bring Jack Ruby out of retirement.

TruthMonger

On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Huge Cajones Remailer wrote:

>   I was watching Dateline NBC interview the McVeigh jurors about the
> trial and the interviewer asked them what they found to be the strongest
> or most convincing evidence against McVeigh.
>   A grandmotherly type answered that the most convincing of the evidence
> against him was the pictures of the dead bodies.

I went out with a nabor last Friday night to get a beer at a local townie
bar. They had a small dance floor with the typical bad music. When the
deejay put on the Village People's "YMCA" he turned down the volume during
the "Y - M - C - A" chorus and led the redneck crowd through his own
version: "Fry Tim McVeigh," which they sang.

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>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Huge Cajones Remailer wrote:

>>   I was watching Dateline NBC interview the McVeigh jurors about the
>> trial and the interviewer asked them what they found to be the strongest
>> or most convincing evidence against McVeigh.
>>   A grandmotherly type answered that the most convincing of the evidence
>> against him was the pictures of the dead bodies.

>I went out with a nabor last Friday night to get a beer at a local townie
>bar. They had a small dance floor with the typical bad music. When the
>deejay put on the Village People's "YMCA" he turned down the volume
>during the "Y - M - C - A" chorus and led the redneck crowd through his
>own version: "Fry Tim McVeigh," which they sang.

That's why I don't frequent such places any more.

"There needs to be lifeguards at the shallow end of the gene pool"

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On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Michael Stutz wrote:

> I went out with a nabor last Friday night to get a beer at a local townie
> bar. 

Jim Nabor?

> They had a small dance floor with the typical bad music. When the
> deejay put on the Village People's "YMCA" he turned down the volume during
> the "Y - M - C - A" chorus and led the redneck crowd through his own
> version: "Fry Tim McVeigh," which they sang.

I am expecting Tim McVeigh to show up in a video game any day now.  Check
out some of the games at the local arcade.  See who the villians in the
"shoot-em-up" games are...  Used to be "drug dealers".  Now it is
"terrorists".  And you get to be the one to "blow the badguys away".  (In
my more paranoid moments I equate it to a plot to get people to side with
the government on the next televised shoot-the-bad-guys
spectacle/stand-off.)  In one, you get to go after them in a hellicopter!
(Painted black, no doubt...)

And you don't see any mothers protesting what this will do to their
kids...

Will the next video game target be evil cryptographers?

alano@teleport.com | "Those who are without history are doomed to retype it."

> Will the next video game target be evil cryptographers?

Dorothy Denning springs immediately to mind ;-)...

Seriously though, how does one stereotype a cryptographer in order to 
easily represent him/her in graphics? Drug dealers are easy: Shadowy 
character all in black carring guns and scaring small children, 
terrorists also, camoflague wearing rifle carriers, but cryptographers?

Maybe someone wearing a random noise camoflague suit and carrying heavy 
assult weapons such as a 3.5" plastic disk with a copy of PGP on it...


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On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Alan wrote:

> I am expecting Tim McVeigh to show up in a video game any day now.  Check
> out some of the games at the local arcade.  See who the villians in the
> "shoot-em-up" games are...  Used to be "drug dealers".  Now it is
> "terrorists".  And you get to be the one to "blow the badguys away".

Read a similar theme last night in James Kunstler's New Urbanist manifesto,
_The Geography of Nowhere_. He talks of the currently-ruling corporate
society's romanticism of the past in a discussion of the psychological
techniques used on parents and children in the Disney theme parks. Actors
guised as pirates, cowboys or brigands all stage "shoot-em-ups" to the
entertainment of middle-class families; he wonders if, in 100 years hence,
the status quo families of the age will watch reinactments of black gangsta
youth and their drive-by shootings.