[OFF-TOPIC] Naming systems...

Tim wrote:
> At 11:21 AM -0700 6/3/97, Asgaard wrote:
> 
> >*Why is it that people of finer (?) English heritage often has a double
> >second name? Someone once suggested to me that it originates from having
> >(or an ancestor having) adopted the name of both one's 'marital' father
> >and one's biological father, for reasons of property inheritance, but
> >I never believed that one. Just curious.

That's the impression I got while I lived there. Many people regard 
it as rather pretentious (pace, Phil). At my school, there was 
a student who rejoiced in the moniker (I am not making this up):

"The Honorable Jamie Darymple-Hamilton, Esq."

> Yuppies in the U.S. have often gone to the "feminist-friendly"
> hyphenization of their names, claiming it gives their children both names.
 
> (Oh yeah? It just pushes the problem one level deeper in the stack, as
> _their_ children than have to contend with being "Suzie
> Smith-Yates-Hallam-Baker." I like the Icelandic solution where girl
> children are "Suziesdottir" and boy children are "Winstonsson.")

With the old Norse system, still used in Iceland, there is a tremendous 
namespace-collision problem. There is a fairly short list of 
acceptable first names (yes, there is a list, and you have to name your 
child from it - this is fairly common outside the US), and by the second 
generation these names, and only these names, get pushed into the surname 
namespace. Immigrants change their names to Icelandic ones as a 
requirement of citizenship. The one exception is that if you are 
still living in the place you were born, you can adopt the placename
as your surname. 

Thus, Iceland, with only 265,000 people, has phonebooks which index by 
location and profession as well as by name to reach a reasonable 
level of dis-ambiguation.

[Doubtless some Magnus Magnusson (the most common male Icelandic 
name) will correct some of the details here.]

Peter Trei (that's Estonian, if you were wondering).
trei@process.com

At 9:32 AM -0700 6/3/97, Peter Trei wrote:
>With the old Norse system, still used in Iceland, there is a tremendous
>namespace-collision problem.

There is also a namespace collapse problem in China.  They have a
patrilineal family naming convention much like the one that is common in
the USA.  However the naming system has been stable for thousands of years.
In that time, some names have died out (only girl babies).  They somewhat
avoid the associated namespace collision problem by being imaginative with
given names.

To avoid namespace collapse, you need to continually introduce new names.
If Iceland didn't limit given names, the problem would go away.  For
example: I know a Catnip Echoridge Fredrick.  I bet Catnipsson would expand
the namespace.


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