Re: Webpage picketing (fwd)

Hi,

Forwarded message:

> From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@amaranth.com>
> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 97 21:38:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: Webpage picketing (fwd)

> >Correct and using my model would in no way interfere with a users use of
> >the network. It would not add excessive delay or other impedemants. It
> >would be a one time event that occured when the site was initialy
> >accessed. Much like having to go past the picketers on the side of the
> >road at least once.
> 
> I guess we will have to agree to disagree. If I am stoped even once that
> is one time too many. In the real world if a group of picketers try to
> impead my entrance to a store parking lot the growl of a 427 does alot to
> convince them of the errors of their ways. :)

Whew, talk about fixated. NOBODY is talking about stopping anything but you,
THAT would be unconstitutional. I am NOT saying that such a situation would
prevent you from reaching your destination (ie the store) but it would
require you to pass through the picket line (ie get a single page as your
first responce to your request) and be exposed however briefly to their
speech.

> Yes and it is the participants who are sending the packets. If I am
> sending packets between point A & B you have no right to interfere with
> those transmisions.

You are right, I WOULD  have a right to interfere with their reception which
is after all what I am talking about. I am in no way discussing slowing or
otherwise altering the request from the user, I am specificaly talking about
adding a single page to the servers output. Straw man.

> You donot have the right to re-route them or substute
> them for others. If you have somthing to say put up a web page and if I am
> interested I'll stop by and take a look. You don't have the right to force
> me to look. To do so would be a serious perversion of the 1st Amendment.

Absolutely, and none of this has anything whatsoever to do with the issue at
hand. Another straw man. If you are using a publicly funded thoroughfare I
CAN consitutionaly FORCE you to see my message if YOU insist on going to
that particular store. It isn't the user who is being picketed, it is the
server. You as a user of the system have nothing to say about it, unless as
alluded by another cpunk you want to picket the picketers (which is
completely legal and happens quite often).

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Hi Jim,

Lets drop the analogies for a moment. :)

Now if I understand you (and feel free to correct me) this is what you
wish to do:

I as Joe Sixpack want to goto http://www.bigtits.com

You as goodie-2-shoes want to picket this site.

Inorder to do this you wish to have me goto http://www.NOW.com and see
their anti-porn page before I can see the bigtits page. (wether I actually
goto their website or the page is automatically downloaded is irrelevant
for the disscusion).

Now as Joe Sixpack I do not want to see the anit-porn page from the NOW I
want to see the bigtits page at www.bigtits.com

Where exactly is it in the constution that say that your free speech
rights extend to the point where you can force me to read what you have to
say when I don't want to?

I just don't see how you can make this leap regardless of who is doing the
funding.

BigTits have their 1st Amendment rights to free speech the same as the
NOW. BigTits puts up their web site & NOW puts up theirs. I now can make
my choice of who's speech I wish to listen to. If I decide to listen to
BigTits that is my right to do so and if I want to listen to NOW that is
also my right.

I'll leave the numerous analogies alone for a latter post. I just don't
see where anyone has the right to tell me what I must read.

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