Re: Jim Bell 6

John Young <jya@pipeline.com> writes:
       
> On June 26 the court handling Jim's case extended
> the time from June 30 to July 11 for the USA to file an 
> indictment.
> 
> This is from an on-line docket of the case via 
> Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER)
> a subcription service for federal courts.
> 
> No indication that Jim has been released, jailed since 
> his arrest on May 16. No reason given for repeated
> waiver of right to a speedy trial.
> 
> The docket's at:
> 
>    http://jya.com/jimbell-dock.htm

Thanks for keeping us up to date. Jim always seemed to
me to be a loony, but I never (and still don't) think
he's capable of the things the warrent alleges him to
have been planning.

Peter Trei
DISCLAIMER: The above is my opinion, no one else's.

On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Peter Trei wrote:

> John Young <jya@pipeline.com> writes:
>        
> > On June 26 the court handling Jim's case extended
> > the time from June 30 to July 11 for the USA to file an 
> > indictment.
> > 
> > This is from an on-line docket of the case via 
> > Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER)
> > a subcription service for federal courts.
> > 
> > No indication that Jim has been released, jailed since 
> > his arrest on May 16. No reason given for repeated
> > waiver of right to a speedy trial.
> > 
> > The docket's at:
> > 
> >    http://jya.com/jimbell-dock.htm
> 
> Thanks for keeping us up to date. Jim always seemed to
> me to be a loony, but I never (and still don't) think
> he's capable of the things the warrent alleges him to
> have been planning.

Agreed.  The time I met Jim he seemed like a loon.  A harmless one at
that...  (The stinkbomb attacks are about as far as he would go.  (And I
happen to know that he is guilty of at least one of those.))

The government seems pretty afraid of someone who only has a history of
petty vandalism with chemicals.  I wonder what else they are afraid of and
to what lengths they will go to stop it.

Reminds me of some of the "government is dead" threads of a couple of
years back.  My response was something to the effect of "The government is
not like an old man dying in a corner.  It is more like an old man having
an epeliptic seizure in a crowded mall with lots of guns.".  If the
govenrment is on the way to losing its power over the people, they are
going to take as many of us down with them on the way out.

alano@teleport.com | "Those who are without history are doomed to retype it."

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At 09:43 AM 7/7/97 -0700, Alan wrote:
>Reminds me of some of the "government is dead" threads of a couple of
>years back.  My response was something to the effect of "The government is
>not like an old man dying in a corner.  It is more like an old man having
>an epeliptic seizure in a crowded mall with lots of guns.".  If the
>govenrment is on the way to losing its power over the people, they are
>going to take as many of us down with them on the way out.

Though neither the USSR nor the DDR did when they "went out."  Likewise the 
Catholic Church when it "went out" (as a secular political power in Europe) 
at some point between 1400 and 1900.  

Those three institutions killed the bulk of their victims in their earlier 
more virile phases than they did in their senesence.  That seems likely with 
our government as well.

Single incidents like Bell's arrest prove nothing.  Operation Sun Devil 
looked big at the time but did not lead to an effective government crackdown 
on cyberspace.  It was actually a tactical and strategic loss for them.  If 
Bell gets a dismissal or pleads to minor charges, it will be a loss for the 
Feds as well.  Their losses against Phil Z and Jake Baker exposed the 
weakness of their control regimes when applied to the Net.

DCF
 


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