Re: DEATH TO THE TYRANTS

Tim May wrote:

>By the way, I don't recall it being mentioned that [my] message from "IRS
>Inspection" had an interesting subject line: DEATH TO TYRANTS.


The six other headers received or forwarded here have the same subject: 
"Something of Interest."

Further, Tim's message is so far the earliest of the batch: 12:18 compared to 
the next at 12:25 which went to a mail list based in Norway. Others followed 
at about 1 minute intervals, the last at 12:33.

See the full headers at:

   http://jya.com/irs-header.txt

BTW, Declan, did you not once write that IRS offices are down the corridor
from yours? If so, would you care to ask the thieves their opinion of the spam,
especially if they are the authors, sneaking into your box and lifting lists
while 
you're sipping and baseballing with the brokers?

Cite me as inquring an CU-FU, if you prefer to keep reportorial distance. Write
up spam story, do, providing that you're up to snuff paying Crispin-bandit 
extortion.

----------

This is a resend of a message sent at 06:53 AM this morning, which
did not make it through, at least not to me.

It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time
bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close
enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was
when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments. 

I have a call into the IRS about this mail, BTW. So far nobody has (or
admits to having) any idea what I'm talking about.

-Declan


On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, John Young wrote:

> 
> BTW, Declan, did you not once write that IRS offices are down the corridor
> from yours? If so, would you care to ask the thieves their opinion of the spam,
> especially if they are the authors, sneaking into your box and lifting lists
> while 
> you're sipping and baseballing with the brokers?

Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time
> bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close
> enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was
> when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments.
 
Secret Service Xmas tree ornaments?  Hmm.  Next time they are selling
them, could you find out if they have a mail order address?

-Doug

The Secret Service sells tree ornaments every year. They're quite nice.
Though by the time I got back from Singapore last December, they were sold
out. Don't think they do mail order; it's just for building residents.

If there's a tremendous amount of interest I might be talked into taking
orders this year. They're only about $12 each. 

I hear from fellow jlists that the S.S. also runs a souvenier shop in the
basement of the Old Executive Office Building, on the White House
compound. I've never been able to find it, though. 

-Declan


On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Doug Peterson wrote:

> Declan McCullagh wrote:
> > 
> > It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time
> > bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close
> > enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was
> > when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments.
>  
> Secret Service Xmas tree ornaments?  Hmm.  Next time they are selling
> them, could you find out if they have a mail order address?
> 
> -Doug
> 
>

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:39:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
> To: Doug Peterson <fnorky@geocities.com>
> Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com
> Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE TYRANTS
> 
> 
> The Secret Service sells tree ornaments every year. They're quite nice.
> Though by the time I got back from Singapore last December, they were sold
> out. Don't think they do mail order; it's just for building residents.
> 
> If there's a tremendous amount of interest I might be talked into taking
> orders this year. They're only about $12 each. 

What do they look like?  

> I hear from fellow jlists that the S.S. also runs a souvenier shop in the
> basement of the Old Executive Office Building, on the White House
> compound. I've never been able to find it, though. 

You have to find the news stand and ask for the "Special of the day" while
wearing a pink dress shirt.  A trap door will open and you will be at the
gift shop.  (If you survive the fall.)

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Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> The Secret Service sells tree ornaments every year. They're quite nice.
> Though by the time I got back from Singapore last December, they were sold
> out. Don't think they do mail order; it's just for building residents.
> 
> If there's a tremendous amount of interest I might be talked into taking
> orders this year. They're only about $12 each.
> 
> I hear from fellow jlists that the S.S. also runs a souvenier shop in the
> basement of the Old Executive Office Building, on the White House
> compound. I've never been able to find it, though.
> 
> -Declan

I'll keep the offer in mind this year.  If nothing else, they would make
great gifts for some of my more paranoid friends.

-Doug

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Doug Peterson wrote:

> Declan McCullagh wrote:
> > 
> > It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time
> > bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close
> > enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was
> > when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments.
>  
> Secret Service Xmas tree ornaments?  Hmm.  Next time they are selling
> them, could you find out if they have a mail order address?

Sure you want'em?  They're probably as buggy as a swap in july.

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Ray Arachelian wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Doug Peterson wrote:
> 
> > Declan McCullagh wrote:
> > >
> > > It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time
> > > bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close
> > > enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was
> > > when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments.
> >
> > Secret Service Xmas tree ornaments?  Hmm.  Next time they are selling
> > them, could you find out if they have a mail order address?
> 
> Sure you want'em?  They're probably as buggy as a swap in july.
> 

Hehe.  Thats the idea...

-Doug

At 12:51 pm -0400 on 7/24/97, Ray Arachelian wrote:


> Sure you want'em?  They're probably as buggy as a swap in july.

No. That's Washington, in general...

Cheers,
Bob Hettinga

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On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Robert Hettinga wrote:

> At 12:51 pm -0400 on 7/24/97, Ray Arachelian wrote:
> 
> 
> > Sure you want'em?  They're probably as buggy as a swap in july.
> 
> No. That's Washington, in general...

:) Yeah, but why invite Big Brother to listen to you from your own xmas
tree?  :)  Would be cool to get a list of frequencies their bugs work on
and just sit back and listen too all the various conversations. :)  Even
if they originate from around the ol'e Yule Log. :)

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At 8:31 PM -0700 7/23/97, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>It's actually the Secret Service offices that are upstairs from the Time
>bureau, on the top floor of the building. Perhaps because we're close
>enough to see the White House? Dunno. The only time I went up there was
>when they were selling Xmas tree ornaments.
>
>I have a call into the IRS about this mail, BTW. So far nobody has (or
>admits to having) any idea what I'm talking about.
>

I'm not a reporter, but it seems to me that a major first step in writing
such a story would be to find out who own the account from which the mail
was (allegedly) sent.

Namely, who is "irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov" and what does he or she think of
the "DEATH TO TYRANTS" subject header, sent to me (and maybe others). And
what was the reason this was sent to folks who are neither lawyers nor
reporters nor anyone else who typically receives Treasury Department press
releases?

 The headers in the first of the messages I received were:

Received: from you for tcmay
 with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.13 1996/12/26) Fri Jul 18 19:25:02 1997
X-From_: irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov Fri Jul 18 15:30:05 1997
Received: from tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (tcs-gateway1.treas.gov
[204.151.245.2]) by you.got.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA28395 for
<tcmay@got.net>; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:29:59 -0700
X-Real-To: <tcmay@got.net>
Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov id AA19560
  (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for tcmay@got.net);
  Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:36:21 -0400
Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2);
  Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:36:21 -0400
Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1);
  Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:36:21 -0400
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:18:35 -0400
From: IRS Inspection <irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov>
Message-Id: <199707171618.MAA02670@net.insp.irs.gov>
To: Interested-Parties@net.insp.irs.gov
Subject: DEATH TO TYRANTS


I forwarded the header block a few days ago, and can furnish anyone with a
complete copy. Except for the "DEATH TO TYRANTS" subject, and some details
of the dates (as noted by John Young), it's the basic "Something of
Interest" message, which I also got a copy of.

In case there's interest in that, too, here's the header block for that one:

Received: from you for tcmay
 with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.13 1996/12/26) Fri Jul 18 19:25:08 1997
X-From_: irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov Fri Jul 18 15:39:43 1997
Received: from tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (tcs-gateway1.treas.gov
[204.151.245.2]) by you.got.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA28954 for
<tcmay@got.net>; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:39:39 -0700
X-Real-To: <tcmay@got.net>
Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov id AA19652
  (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for tcmay@got.net);
  Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:45:59 -0400
Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2);
  Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:45:59 -0400
Received: by tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1);
  Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:45:59 -0400
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:28:11 -0400
From: IRS Inspection <irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov>
Message-Id: <199707171628.MAA02724@net.insp.irs.gov>
To: Interested-Parties@net.insp.irs.gov
Subject: Something of Interest

There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws.
Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!"
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
tcmay@got.net  408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Higher Power: 2^1398269     | black markets, collapse of governments.
"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote:

> Namely, who is "irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov" and what does he or she think of
> the "DEATH TO TYRANTS" subject header, sent to me (and maybe others). And
> what was the reason this was sent to folks who are neither lawyers nor
> reporters nor anyone else who typically receives Treasury Department press
> releases?

I'm probably wrong on this, but the "pr" at the end stands for public
relations, "nw" could be "news wire" or some such.  (And for the clueless,
IRS stands of course for evil jackbooted thugs that eat most of our
paychecks for breakfast...)  :)
 
For one thing, I suggest we setup a nice big form letter and spam them
back with it stating that we do not condone spamming and that we intend to
sue their asses for using our private emails to distribute government
propaganda.  (The quartering of soldiers and all that shit would be a nice
constituional point to include.)  Any lawyer like folk willing to write up
such a beast?  I'd gladly attach my email address to it as it's being
sent.

It could also be a mailing list, if it is, sending email to it will at
least confirm the theory...

It's interesting that I've tried two or three different networks and
nslookup, ping, and traceroute don't show any net.insp.irs.gov, nor any
insp.irs.gov... anyone have better luck finding this evil machine?

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At 8:03 AM -0700 7/24/97, Ray Arachelian wrote:

>For one thing, I suggest we setup a nice big form letter and spam them
>back with it stating that we do not condone spamming and that we intend to
>sue their asses for using our private emails to distribute government
>propaganda.  (The quartering of soldiers and all that shit would be a nice
>constituional point to include.)  Any lawyer like folk willing to write up
>such a beast?  I'd gladly attach my email address to it as it's being
>sent.

Well, we've had this disagreement before. They, the IRS, have as much right
to use e-mail addresses as anyone else. "Unrequested mail" is not spam.

As for suing them, on what basis?

I think it mildly worrisome, and _potentially_ evidence of threatening
behavior, to send out press releases to those who are not parties to the
Bell matter and are not known to be reporters or media outlets, but this
all remains to be shown.

And of course it may be embarassing to the IRS to be sending out e-mail
with the subject header "DEATH TO TYRANTS." (Note that it was not "Re:
DEATH TO TYRANTS.")

A sentiment I agree with, of course, but I didn't think they did. Maybe
there's one of us inside the Beast? Maybe he's been reading the threads on
how to acquire Semtex?

--Tim May

There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws.
Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!"
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
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tcmay@got.net  408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Higher Power: 2^1398269     | black markets, collapse of governments.
"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

Tim May <tcmay@got.net> writes:

> Namely, who is "irsnwpr@net.insp.irs.gov" and what does he or she think of
> the "DEATH TO TYRANTS" subject header, sent to me (and maybe others).
 ...
>  The headers in the first of the messages I received were:

> Received: from tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (tcs-gateway1.treas.gov
> [204.151.245.2]) by you.got.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA28395 for
> <tcmay@got.net>; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:29:59 -0700
 ...
> Received: from tcs_gateway1.treas.gov (tcs-gateway1.treas.gov
> [204.151.245.2]) by you.got.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA28954 for
> <tcmay@got.net>; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:39:39 -0700

If those headers are forged, it is an expert forgery.

The MX hosts for the net.insp.irs.gov domain are fun:
net.insp.irs.gov        preference = 10, mail exchanger = tcs-gateway2.treas.gov
net.insp.irs.gov        preference = 20, mail exchanger = tcs-gateway1.treas.gov
net.insp.irs.gov        preference = 30, mail exchanger = gotcha.treas.gov
irs.gov nameserver = gotcha.treas.gov
irs.gov nameserver = nis.ans.net
irs.gov nameserver = ns.ans.net
tcs-gateway2.treas.gov  internet address = 204.151.246.2
tcs-gateway1.treas.gov  internet address = 204.151.245.2
gotcha.treas.gov        internet address = 204.151.246.80

`gotcha.treas.gov'?  It's a real host connected through ans.net ...

12  h10-1.t32-0.New-York.t3.ans.net (140.223.57.30)  139.839 ms  126.702 ms  125.82 ms
13  h11-1.t56-1.Washington-DC.t3.ans.net (140.223.57.21)  147.248 ms  124.774 ms  118.815 ms
14  f0-0.cnss60.Washington-DC.t3.ans.net (140.222.56.196)  192.54 ms  125.939 ms  166.529 ms
15  enss3080.t3.ans.net (192.103.66.18)  130.917 ms  131.057 ms  145.377 ms
16  gotcha.treas.gov (204.151.246.80)  133.065 ms  134.345 ms  131.596 ms

Except for hop 16, this is the same traceroute as to
tcs-gateway2.treas.gov.  For what it's worth, the traceroute to
tcs-gateway1 is slightly different:

 8  h13-1.t16-0.Los-Angeles.t3.ans.net (140.223.9.14)  44.997 ms  51.526 ms  51.875 ms
 9  h14-1.t112-0.Albuquerque.t3.ans.net (140.223.17.10)  60.895 ms  60.426 ms  57.762 ms
10  h14-1.t64-0.Houston.t3.ans.net (140.223.65.9)  81.131 ms *  85.067 ms
11  h14-1.t80-1.St-Louis.t3.ans.net (140.223.65.14)  117.62 ms  100.623 ms  104.878 ms
12  h10-1.t60-0.Reston.t3.ans.net (140.223.61.13)  126.368 ms  136.017 ms  123.367 ms
13  f2-0.c60-10.Reston.t3.ans.net (140.223.60.220)  129.505 ms  128.214 ms  128.52 ms
14  enss3079.t3.ans.net (204.148.66.66)  134.707 ms  162.912 ms  160.774 ms
15  tcs-gateway1.treas.gov (204.151.245.2)  154.268 ms *  155.898 ms