Crypto implants

[I could find no instance in the cypherpunks archives of this thread.
Forgive me if I've erred.]

As single chip crypto devices are now available (e.g., smart cards) it is
not unreasonable to ask how the implantation of advanced bio-chips may
challenge current notions of civil liberties.

A key US legal assumption of privacy is that one has an unlimited right to
one's thoughts but limited rights to ones ideas reduced to tangible form
and to communications. (The threads regarding the ability of the courts to
cause the a witness to disgorge a crypto key are closely related.)

Another civil liberty is the assumption that one owns and controls one's
body (unless arrested/imprisoned) and the government may not alter or
injure your body. Most citizens and hopefully the courts would find
invasion of this most sacrosanct part of one's being are repugnant.

An implied aspects of the privacy-crypto debate is that
mechanical/electronic devices outside of one's body are required for use of
crypto. But what happens if a person's body is augmented for various
purposes, including data storage, crypto and communications?  Unless a
proven crime were committed via these devices, is it feasible that a person
could be forced to submit to removal of an implant or to disgorge their
data contents?

--Steve


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On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Steve Schear wrote:

> Another civil liberty is the assumption that one owns and controls one's
> body (unless arrested/imprisoned) and the government may not alter or
> injure your body. Most citizens and hopefully the courts would find
> invasion of this most sacrosanct part of one's being are repugnant.
> 
> An implied aspects of the privacy-crypto debate is that
> mechanical/electronic devices outside of one's body are required for use of
> crypto. But what happens if a person's body is augmented for various
> purposes, including data storage, crypto and communications?  Unless a
> proven crime were committed via these devices, is it feasible that a person
> could be forced to submit to removal of an implant or to disgorge their
> data contents?

It depends on the circumstances.  If there was any way to extract the
contents of the implant or decrypt anything encrypted using a key stored
in the implant without resorting to surgery, it would probably be legal
to force the suspect to cooperate (assuming that requiring someone to
turn over a crypto key is legal).  Extracting the contents of the implant
without using surgery is non-intrusive and probably legal.  However, if
the only way to recover the needed data is to physically remove the
implant from the suspect's body (though this wouldn't be very practical
for the user), it would be very difficult for LEAs to do this legally.
In one U.S. Supreme Court decision, Winston v. Lee, it was decided that
the State did not have the authority to require someone not convicted of
a crime to submit to surgery so that a bullet could be extracted from
his body and possibly be used as evidence.  There are exceptions, but
the situation would have to be extreme enough to warrant the severe
intrusion.  I would imagine that this ruling would apply to a situation
where someone had an implant with information that could be used as
evidence.  There isn't much difference, IMO, between extracting a
bullet that has information in the form of caliber and unique markings
useful in a ballistics test and extracting a data implant that has
information electronically stored.



Mark
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On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Steve Schear wrote:

> [I could find no instance in the cypherpunks archives of this thread.
> Forgive me if I've erred.]
> 
> As single chip crypto devices are now available (e.g., smart cards) it is
> not unreasonable to ask how the implantation of advanced bio-chips may
> challenge current notions of civil liberties.

I suggested using a chip which derived the equivalent of a passphrase from
brainwaves (when you are calm) - SF now, but in a few years...

And there may be opportunites to make it tamperproof - if removed it is
detected and data destroyed, or make removal all but impossible without
killing the patient.

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In <97Jul18.203330edt.32258@brickwall.ceddec.com>, on 07/18/97 
   at 08:33 PM, Nobody <nobody@rigel.cyberpass.net> said:

>On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Steve Schear wrote:

>> [I could find no instance in the cypherpunks archives of this thread.
>> Forgive me if I've erred.]
>> 
>> As single chip crypto devices are now available (e.g., smart cards) it is
>> not unreasonable to ask how the implantation of advanced bio-chips may
>> challenge current notions of civil liberties.

>I suggested using a chip which derived the equivalent of a passphrase
>from brainwaves (when you are calm) - SF now, but in a few years...

>And there may be opportunites to make it tamperproof - if removed it is
>detected and data destroyed, or make removal all but impossible without
>killing the patient.

Hmmmm ... Waco ... Ruby Ridge .... It would seem that murdering US
Citizens is an excepted investigation tatic of the federal government
these days. Unfortunatly I don't see things changing any time in the
future.

"Why is it you can never find the Plutonium Disinfectant when you need
it?"

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> Hmmmm ... Waco ... Ruby Ridge .... It would seem that murdering US
> Citizens is an excepted investigation tatic of the federal government
> these days. Unfortunatly I don't see things changing any time in the
> future.

Citizen sanitization and removal of undesirable citizen-units is often 
necessary to meet the legitimate concerns of law enforcement, surely any 
reasonable person would realise that.

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