NODE 60a40ef5Toilet plungers and sodomy: Why we should trust police blindly
Declan McCullagh <declan@pathfinder.com>Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:58:09 +0800
<B>By TOM HAYS<P>
<B>Associated Press Writer<P>
NEW YORK (AP) - A police officer turned himself over to
investigators after being accused of using a toilet plunger to sodomize a
Haitian immigrant who was arrested in a scuffle outside a nightclub.
Justin Volpe, 25, one of two officers that Abner Louima identified
as his attackers, surrendered to the police department's internal affairs
division Wednesday night. Louima was critically injured in the Saturday
beating.
Deputy Inspector Michael Collins said Volpe would be charged with
aggravated sexual abuse and first-degree assault. Collins also said
disorderly conduct charges against Louima were being dropped. And the
mayor said the precinct was undergoing a staff shakeup.
Citing an unidentified high-ranking official familiar with the
investigation, the Daily News reported today that Louima told
investigators Volpe sodomized him.
Louima has said an officer shoved a toilet plunger into his
rectum, and then into his mouth.
"They said, "Take this, nigger,' and stuck the stick in my rear
end," Louima, 30, said in a hospital interview.
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NODE ad2a4375Re: Toilet plungers and sodomy: Why we should trust police blindly
Mike Duvos <enoch@zipcon.net>Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:30:10 +0800
> Louima has said an officer shoved a toilet plunger into his
> rectum, and then into his mouth.
> "They said, "Take this, nigger,' and stuck the stick in my rear
> end," Louima, 30, said in a hospital interview.
Gee, where's Tim McVeigh when you really need him? I wonder if they
have daycare centers at police headquarters.
Broken eggs, etc...
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NODE 89f1dbf4Re: Toilet plungers and sodomy: Why we should trust police blindly
Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com>Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:00:55 +0800
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Mike Duvos wrote:
> Gee, where's Tim McVeigh when you really need him? I wonder if they
> have daycare centers at police headquarters.
>
> Broken eggs, etc...
This is really Guiliani's fault for hiring so many damn cops. NYC now has
so many cops that if you walk down the street in most neighborhoods for
more than 5 minutes you'll see at least one cop car. In their rush to
hire cops, they also hired scum as cops. Who knows how many such
incidents go unreported or are covered up. :( Damned police state if I
ever saw one.
As for stopping crime, they ain't doing shit. They're picking on small
things like parking tix and such, but as for going after mobsters and drug
dealers, the piggies are snarfing donuts. All I've ever see them do is
ticket cars and tow them away.
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NODE 0d1b3069Re: Toilet plungers and sodomy: Why we should trust police blindly
dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:30:28 +0800
Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com> writes:
> This is really Guiliani's fault for hiring so many damn cops. NYC now has
> so many cops that if you walk down the street in most neighborhoods for
> more than 5 minutes you'll see at least one cop car. In their rush to
> hire cops, they also hired scum as cops. Who knows how many such
> incidents go unreported or are covered up. :( Damned police state if I
> ever saw one.
>
> As for stopping crime, they ain't doing shit. They're picking on small
> things like parking tix and such, but as for going after mobsters and drug
> dealers, the piggies are snarfing donuts. All I've ever see them do is
> ticket cars and tow them away.
>
Can you blame them? They have a quote for writing parking tickets and will
get in trouble for not writing enough; while they don't have a quota e.g. for
writing tickets to the folks who run red lights, and can get shot at if they
try to.
As for the regrettable incident with the plunger: while it sounds bad out of
context, it can be viewed as just desserts for the indignities the while people
in New York City have undergone under the Dinkins administration. If the
alleged victim (who already gave 3 highly contradictory stories of the events)
thinks that this city is so racist, why didn't he stay in his native Haiti?
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NODE eab91693Re: Toilet plungers and sodomy: Why we should trust police blindly
Mike Duvos <enoch@zipcon.net>Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:13:27 +0800
Dr. Vebis writes:
> As for the regrettable incident with the plunger: while it sounds bad out of
> context, it can be viewed as just desserts for the indignities the while people
> in New York City have undergone under the Dinkins administration. If the
> alleged victim (who already gave 3 highly contradictory stories of the events)
> thinks that this city is so racist, why didn't he stay in his native Haiti?
WHAT!?
The "alleged victim" describes officers beating him and then shoving a
toilet plunger up his rectum and down his throat while yelling "Take that,
Nigger!" He has a broken jaw, a punctured rectum, and a torn bladder, a
colostomy, and will require multiple surgeries to repair all the damage.
The police officers initially covered up for eachother, and the guilty cop
was only turned over to internal affairs when the cops realized that they
had a situation so serious that they couldn't lie their way out of it.
It will be interesting to see whether he is charged with anything serious,
what sort of defense he concocts, whether his fellow officers testify
against him.
In other news, a Texas jury refused to indict a marine who shot an 18 year
old goatherder tending his flock near the Mexican border. After the
shooting, the marines claimed that the man had fired first, but this
excuse seems to be crumbling as the investigation continues.
An interesting newsday, as Tim McVeigh is sentenced to death, and quotes
from Justice Brandeis about the government teaching its citizen-units by
example.
Ruby Ridge, Waco, Jackbooted Thugs, Atrocities under Color of Authority,
Unbridled Arrogance, and Unmitigated Gall.
Surely we should learn well from these examples as our government tells us
how it wishes us to treat it.
Up against the wall with the lot of them.
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NODE 97886fbbRe: Toilet plungers and sodomy: Why we should trust police blindly
Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com>Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:38:51 +0800
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
> Can you blame them? They have a quote for writing parking tickets and will
> get in trouble for not writing enough; while they don't have a quota e.g. for
> writing tickets to the folks who run red lights, and can get shot at if they
> try to.
Sure I can blame them. If they're unwilling to support the constitution
and do what's right and proper by it, they don't belong in the police
force, they belong in the congress with all the other political scum
sucking bastards.
> As for the regrettable incident with the plunger: while it sounds bad out of
> context, it can be viewed as just desserts for the indignities the while people
> in New York City have undergone under the Dinkins administration. If the
> alleged victim (who already gave 3 highly contradictory stories of the events)
> thinks that this city is so racist, why didn't he stay in his native Haiti?
Probably for the same reason you didn't chose to remain in Russia and came
here. :) Whatever crimes he might have been arrested for and allegedly
commited don't mask or negate that the police raped him. Pure and simple.
Did you mean "white" instead of "while"? I believe the pig^H^H^cop
involved was hispanic not white, so your racist comment is out of place,
but whatever... IMHO, Dinkins was a weak mayor, probably a puppet to
someone else. Just dig up some old news bulletins and speeches of his and
you'll see he's very meek and afraid. I doubt he had any control over
this city.
While under his regime, city hall was constantly surrounded by cops almost
daily. I used to work near there and saw it durring lunch. Bomb scares
and all that I think... Gee I wonder what he was afraid of?
I wasn't around there that much when Guiliani came so I don't know if the
blockades remained or not. Perhaps some other knowledgeable punk can
answer that....
Still, all he did was battle with the UN and inflict a police state on us
which does nothing but put tickets on windshields and steals cars parked
on the public streets to sell them for profit, or holds them hostage for
you. Obviously the laws of diminish returns apply to hiring cops as
well.. at a certain point all the good cops are already hired and all
you're left to hire is pure scum.
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