Re: lack of evolutionary pressures (was Re: An end to "court (fwd)

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> From: Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: lack of evolutionary pressures (was Re: An end to "court
>   (fwd)

> >You need to read the Constitution again, you missed something critical in
> >there.
> 
> Nope, I didn't. Nowhere is the Constitution does it say that citizens have
> a right to welfare money. The State is free to make virtually anything not
> expressly prohibited by the Constitution a condition for providing welfare.

Yes, Lucky you did.

Go read the 10th. The state is NOT (I say again, NOT) allowed to
do anything not expressly allowed because the Constitution is a clear
refutation of this sort of thinking.

> Including that the recipient takes positive steps to forestall the breeding
> of further welfare recipients. Even making castration a precondition for
> receiving welfare would be constitiutional. [I do not advocate such a step].

On one hand you rail against the oppression of people by their government and
then you promote even further oppression, what a hypocrite. Your eugenic
slant on democracy is a disservice.

In case you haven't caught the clue, people don't belong to the government.


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At 11:19 AM 8/23/97 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>On one hand you rail against the oppression of people by their government and
>then you promote even further oppression, what a hypocrite. Your eugenic
>slant on democracy is a disservice.

Let's try this from a different angle... Say it was charity. Would it, in
your opinion, be constitutional for a private charity to require Norplant
before dispensing the charitable goods and services?



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>>>>> Jim Choate writes:

JC> Forwarded message:
>> From: Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com> Subject: Re: lack of
>> evolutionary pressures (was Re: An end to "court (fwd)

>> >You need to read the Constitution again, you missed something
>> critical in >there.
>> 
>> Nope, I didn't. Nowhere is the Constitution does it say that
>> citizens have a right to welfare money. The State is free to make
>> virtually anything not expressly prohibited by the Constitution a
>> condition for providing welfare.

JC> Yes, Lucky you did.

JC> Go read the 10th. The state is NOT (I say again, NOT) allowed to
JC> do anything not expressly allowed because the Constitution is a
JC> clear refutation of this sort of thinking.

	No, the federal government is barred.  The state governments
are free to do so (constrained by their own constitutions).  For that
matter, the federal government shouldn't be involved in the business
of affecting the specific welfare of individuals, so it should be a
moot issue.  But they cover everything by the commerce clause ("A bird
landing on your roof will travel between states during migration, so
we can regulate the construction of your house."), so they do it
anyways.

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>> Nope, I didn't. Nowhere is the Constitution does it say that citizens 
>> have a right to welfare money. The State is free to make virtually
>> anything not expressly prohibited by the Constitution a condition 
>> for providing welfare.

>Go read the 10th. The state is NOT (I say again, NOT) allowed to
>do anything not expressly allowed because the Constitution is a clear
>refutation of this sort of thinking.

One can contend that the Con also doesn't particularly permit income
redistribution; "providing for the general welfare" wasn't really
precisely defined...  

The 10th does also acknowledge the right of the states to do whatever
their people will let them, subject to the rights of the people (also
not precisely defined) and the powers delegated by the states to the Feds
in the Con.

>In case you haven't caught the clue, people don't belong to the government.
Y'all appear to be violently agreeing on that point.

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>>>>> Bill Stewart writes:

BS> Y'all appear to be violently agreeing on that point.

	Violent agreement is fun.  Jim and I frighten our co-workers
frequently with our violent agreement.

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