U.S. Refugees Flee to Germany

~From:
http://www.guidemag.com/newsslant/vigilante-censors.html

~"Whether it's CPAC wanting to nuke all web sites containing the word 
'boy,' Senator Swinestein wanting to nuke all web sites containing the 
word 'bomb,' or Senator Hatch wanting to nuke all web sites containing 
the word 'sex,'" writes Mike Duvos in a Cypherpunks newsgroup, "the 
optimal strategy for service providers has turned out to be to quietly 
remove any material some squeaky wheel is uncomfortable with, keep 
proclaiming themselves to be the strongest supporters of free speech in 
the entire Net community, and stonewall when asked questions which might 
suggest anything to the contrary." 

  Sounds like one of them-thar, cynical, irreverent, shit-disturbing
CypherPunks, to me.

~Now, the pages are back online on a small server in Germany. Organizers 
of the site are raising funds to purchase their own direct connection to 
the Net. However they don't want their computer to be in the US-- but 
not because they plan to violate any US laws. "We are very nervous
about being here," says Jim Finn, who helps run the Free Spirits, "if 
the government is going to use underhanded tactics to intimidate our 
providers and possibly confiscate our equipment." In the course of 
investigations, police frequently seize computers that they never 
return, even when they file no charges. 

  Perhaps Germany should start building refugee camps for American
homosexuals, Jews, and producers of strong encryption.

~If the Internet had sprung up in the 50s, Senator Jesse Helms would be 
riling his white constituents about the scandalous web sites promoting 
interracial marriage and civil rights. The right way to answer to Helms 
and his ilk is not with pacifying assurances that, thanks to filtering, 
people can avoid these offensive ideas, but to confront the underlying 
racism. Now that queer sex is the bugaboo, the answer shouldn't be any 
different. 

  CypherPunk Cult of One Project:?:
  Put up a website containing quotes from Jesse Helms and other high-
profile politicians, public figures, etc., and then actively promote
it being censored and removed from the InterNet.
  (Pictures of a topless Princess Di, etc. Naked children from a "Life"
   magazine photo from the '60's, etc.)
  Has anyone ever sued themselves to have their own site censored and
dismembered?
  "Greg Broiles vs. Greg Broiles" (Kind of has a 'ring' to it.)

~That censorship is bad and dangerous no matter who its victims is a 
concept best grasped today by Cypherpunks steeped in computers and the 
Net. 

  And who came out of internment in the legendary "Flame Camps"
of the late 1990's, vowing, "Never Forgive. No Prisoners."

~Whether it's the painting "Mona Lisa" or the sex video Lisa 
Moaning, 

  WHY DON'T THESE PEOPLE PROVIDE *POINTERS*!!!
  (No, *not* to the "Mona Lisa," you idiot!)

~If hysteria over 
drugs or hate speech or pornography becomes intense enough, then no 
one's data-- which is to say no one's privacy-- is safe. Much better 
than civil libertarians and gay politicos, Internet activists have seen 
the danger in the new wave of repressive laws. Whether they can 
articulate that danger to a broader public remains to be seen. If not, 
the 1990s may be recalled as a short-lived golden age of free expression 
on the Net, and free spirits won't have any place to call home. ** 

  "Give me bandwidth, or give me death."
   
  "Give me your huddled electrons, struggling to be free."

  "Now is the time for all good hackers to come to the aide of
no-country.

  "One if by land. Two if by sea. NULL if by Net."
  ("The Americans are coming! The Americans are coming!)

  "I may not agree with what you censor, but I will defend to the death
  my right to tell you to 'Fuck off and die.'"

  "Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask where the Federal 
  building is."

  "A small step for a nuclear bomb. A big step for D.C."
  ("It's raining donkeys and elephants out there. Better take
   your lead umbrella.")

  "In Diffie-Hellman We Trust."

  "Nuke the candidate of your choice--but Nuke!"

  "The final finding of the TruthMonger Commission is that Tim May acted
  alone. The Magic Nuclear Missle hit D.C., deflected toward Moscow,
  turned around in mid-air and took out London, before coming to rest
  at Rome.
  "There is no evidence to suggest that Jim Bell was ever a member of
  the CypherPunks list, or ever had contact of any nature with Tim May.
  Toad.com was never connected to the CypherPunks list--it served mostly
  as a mail-drop for decent, upstanding drug dealers, pedophiles, tax
  evaders and terrorists.
  "Duncan Frissel's first act of power, the pardoning of Tim May, was 
  done in order to allow the nation to put this behind us and to heal 
  our nuclear wounds."

  CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED ISP'S OF TERRA
  -----------------------------------------
  "Congress shall make no laws."

  Signature:   Anonymous        Witness: Nobody
               ---------                 ------
  Send complaints of abuse of this Constitution to: Lock&Load@nuke.dc


~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FreedomMonger
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

At 8:20 AM -0700 8/28/97, Anonymous wrote:

>~Now, the pages are back online on a small server in Germany. Organizers
>of the site are raising funds to purchase their own direct connection to
>the Net. However they don't want their computer to be in the US-- but
>not because they plan to violate any US laws. "We are very nervous
>about being here," says Jim Finn, who helps run the Free Spirits, "if
>the government is going to use underhanded tactics to intimidate our
>providers and possibly confiscate our equipment." In the course of
>investigations, police frequently seize computers that they never
>return, even when they file no charges.
>
>  Perhaps Germany should start building refugee camps for American
>homosexuals, Jews, and producers of strong encryption.
...

I assume this is a joke, as Germany is one of the last places one would
choose for a censorship-free site!

(Pace the usual points about Neo-Nazi material being banned in Germany, the
Church of Scientology facing pressures it would never face in the U.S.,
etc.)

But I'll contact Jim Finn about hosting my "The So-Called Holocaust" Web
page, which explains how the International Jew Conspiracy has succeeded in
convincing the gullible that Jews were persecuted in the WW II, when all
right-thinking Aryans know full well that they were coddled and rewarded
and given choice vacation spots in "the East."

Free Spirits should be an ideal host for this material.

--Tim May

There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws.
Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!"
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
tcmay@got.net  408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Higher Power: 2^1398269     | black markets, collapse of governments.
"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

Yes, well this may give some of the citizens that don't object to the
burgeoning surveillence cameras in public areas something to think about,
after they receive their citation.

>At 8:29 AM -0500 9/3/97, Chip Mefford wrote:
>Fairfax County, In the Peoples Republic of Virginia
>
>Citizens in the PRV who have been travelling in Fairfax County will soon
>be recieving summons to come pay their dues to the monster in the form of
>traffic citations for running red lights issued by Big Brother.
[snip]
>
>In the month since this "trial program" began, over 3 thousand citations
>have been prepared and will be in the mail as of TODAY!!!. All Hail Big
>Brother, security is at hand!! Hurrah!!

--Steve

At 08:29 AM 9/3/97 -0500, Chip Mefford wrote:
>Fairfax County, In the Peoples Republic of Virginia
>
>Citizens in the PRV who have been travelling in Fairfax County will soon
>be recieving summons to come pay their dues to the monster in the form of
>traffic citations for running red lights issued by Big Brother.
>
>Yes, rest assured that Big Brother is watching. Three CopBots have been
>deployed around the county to take pictures of vehicles exiting
>intersections after the light has turned red. These CopBots are a great
>boon to our prosperity and security as they free up the huminoid Cops from
>traffic duties so that they can better spend their time toilet plunger
>kicking.
>
>In the month since this "trial program" began, over 3 thousand citations
>have been prepared and will be in the mail as of TODAY!!!. All Hail Big
>Brother, security is at hand!! Hurrah!!
>
>With this wonderful sucess, We can all look forward to this items being
>placed in our domiciles in order to further protect us from crime.
>
>This is truely a great day.
>
>Weep for joy!
>
>I love Big Brother.

This program has been in effect in San Francisco, People's Republik Of
Kalifornia, for over a year now.

BTW, in the vicinity of the I-80/I-680 interchange there are an array of
things suspended over the freeway that look like the sensors from metal
detectors, except they are about the size and shape of fluorescent light
fixtures.  They are opaque white plastic, suspended horizontally, with the
long axis crossing the lanu over which it is hung.  There is a cable
entering them at the top, and are suspended over all lanes of traffic
(except the fast lane) in both directions, as well as the on/off-ramps to
I-680.  Directly underneath them are sensor loops similar to what you might
find by traffic lights downtown.  The poles from from which they are hung
have 18-24 inch dish antennas, which point to the CHP truck scales which
are about 1 mile down the road from each sensor array.  Does anyone have
any idea what the devil these things are?  I have been trying to find
someone who knows for several weeks now, but nobody seems to know.

Jonathan Wienke

What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed" is too hard to understand? (From 2nd Amendment, U.S. Constitution)

When everyone is armed, criminals fear everyone, not just the police.

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Fairfax County, In the Peoples Republic of Virginia

Citizens in the PRV who have been travelling in Fairfax County will soon
be recieving summons to come pay their dues to the monster in the form of
traffic citations for running red lights issued by Big Brother.

Yes, rest assured that Big Brother is watching. Three CopBots have been
deployed around the county to take pictures of vehicles exiting
intersections after the light has turned red. These CopBots are a great
boon to our prosperity and security as they free up the huminoid Cops from
traffic duties so that they can better spend their time toilet plunger
kicking.

In the month since this "trial program" began, over 3 thousand citations
have been prepared and will be in the mail as of TODAY!!!. All Hail Big
Brother, security is at hand!! Hurrah!!

With this wonderful sucess, We can all look forward to this items being
placed in our domiciles in order to further protect us from crime.

This is truely a great day.

Weep for joy!

I love Big Brother.

On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Chip Mefford wrote:
> Fairfax County, In the Peoples Republic of Virginia
> 
> Citizens in the PRV who have been travelling in Fairfax County will soon
> be recieving summons to come pay their dues to the monster in the form of
> traffic citations for running red lights issued by Big Brother.
> 
> Yes, rest assured that Big Brother is watching. Three CopBots have been
> deployed around the county to take pictures of vehicles exiting
> intersections after the light has turned red. These CopBots are a great
> boon to our prosperity and security as they free up the huminoid Cops from
> traffic duties so that they can better spend their time toilet plunger
> kicking.
> 
> In the month since this "trial program" began, over 3 thousand citations
> have been prepared and will be in the mail as of TODAY!!!. All Hail Big
> Brother, security is at hand!! Hurrah!!
> 
> With this wonderful sucess, We can all look forward to this items being
> placed in our domiciles in order to further protect us from crime.
> 
> This is truely a great day.
> 
> Weep for joy!
> 
> I love Big Brother.
> 

I just moved to Fairfax County from Ft. Collins, CO (not a military base,
just a town that was one in the 1800's).  Ft. Collins has the red-light
surveillance cameras, but also has one other added bonus:  speed cameras.

There are several unmarked SUVs (when I left there was at least a GMC Jimmy,
a Ford Explorer, and a generic Chevy truck) that get parked on the sidewalk,
the bike lane and in people's lawns.  They leave a cop in the front to
eat donuts and watch TV, and in the back there is a video camera and a radar
gun.  On the front driver's side mirror there's another camera.  When you
drive by too fast, you get your picture taken (front and back) and a ticket
gets mailed to you a week later.

Not only do they take your picture, but they block the sidewal, bike lane,
and your lawn if they choose to park there.  There's been several suits
against the city, since hte vehicles are technically owned by the company
that makes the cameras (and so should not be parking on the sidewalk, your
lawn, etc...) but as far as I know, nothing has come of the suits.

Of course, it's for your own protection... as everyone knows, you can't take
care of yourself unless there's a government employee there to help you.

-nate

--
  Nate Sammons                          nate@infidels.org
                                        http://sulaco.proxicom.com:7000/~nate

Nate wrote;

Snip
>  They leave a cop in the front to
>eat donuts and watch TV, and in the back there is a video camera and a radar
>gun.  On the front driver's side mirror there's another camera.  When you
>drive by too fast, you get your picture taken (front and back) and a ticket
>gets mailed to you a week later.


Now THAT is interesting,

seems in Colo, they have some idea about the bill of rights, even though
the plunger-kicker is a doughnut whore, it is still present at the scene,
rather than being an unmanned Bot.

So the plunger-kicker, hypothetically could be crossexamined in court,
unlike the Bots of the Peoples Republik of Virginia.

Isn't there a wierd clause about being able to face your accuser??? Yeah, I
know, I live in a fantasy world.

luv
chipper

On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Chip Mefford wrote:
> Nate wrote;
> 
> Snip
> >  They leave a cop in the front to
> >eat donuts and watch TV, and in the back there is a video camera and a radar
> >gun.  On the front driver's side mirror there's another camera.  When you
> >drive by too fast, you get your picture taken (front and back) and a ticket
> >gets mailed to you a week later.
> 
> 
> Now THAT is interesting,
> 
> seems in Colo, they have some idea about the bill of rights, even though
> the plunger-kicker is a doughnut whore, it is still present at the scene,
> rather than being an unmanned Bot.
> 
> So the plunger-kicker, hypothetically could be crossexamined in court,
> unlike the Bots of the Peoples Republik of Virginia.
> 
> Isn't there a wierd clause about being able to face your accuser??? Yeah, I
> know, I live in a fantasy world.
> 
> luv
> chipper
> 

Yes... in CO you can take them to court, and if the cop doesn't show up, you
get off free.  I dunno about VA (just moved here 2 months ago).

In CO, you're supposed to be able to ask the cop if you can see the radar
gun that clocked you, and if it's been cleared or the cop won't show it to
you, you cannot be ticketed.  By law, the cop *must* have a visual estimate
of your speed, and a clocked speed on a gun of some kind (a friend of mine is
a Sheriff in southern CO), but they apparently don't tell that to anyone.

-nate

At 09:53 AM 9/4/97 -0400, stonedog@ns1.net-gate.com wrote:
>Interesting. In NJ, where I have had the misfortune of living, "being able
>to face your accuser" means that if the cop doesn't show you have to
>reschedule and keep rescheduling until he _does_ show. For this reason, I
>had assumed that the "no cop, no case" clause was simply hopeful urban
>legend.

Whether they get to reschedule may depend on factors you can control;
get some professional advice if this happens to you often :-)
The last time I had the opportunity to watch a NJ courtroom for a while,
the cops and prosecutors did have their act together.  The cop's 
testimony started out with being asked what he did that morning
"Calibrated my radar gun" "What model is it?"... "What steps did you
follow?"...

>If nothing else, we live in a "traffic police state".

Unfortunately, the one time I got stopped at a papers-in-order stop
and the cops asked me where I was going, I had a burned out tail light,
so I decided not to give the cops the answers they deserved.
"America, but I seem to have made a wrong turn and ended up here...."

Interesting. In NJ, where I have had the misfortune of living, "being able
to face your accuser" means that if the cop doesn't show you have to
reschedule and keep rescheduling until he _does_ show. For this reason, I
had assumed that the "no cop, no case" clause was simply hopeful urban
legend.

I tend to be cynical, here in NJ, where I have to pass through a police
roadblock every day on my way to work, and a different one every evening.
Literally. Every day. In less than a mile of State Route 73, if that ever
helps anyone.

If nothing else, we live in a "traffic police state".

-stonedog


On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Nate Sammons wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Chip Mefford wrote:
> > Nate wrote;
> > 
> > Isn't there a wierd clause about being able to face your accuser??? Yeah, I
> > know, I live in a fantasy world.
> > 
> > luv
> > chipper
> > 
> 
> Yes... in CO you can take them to court, and if the cop doesn't show up, you
> get off free.  I dunno about VA (just moved here 2 months ago).
> 
> In CO, you're supposed to be able to ask the cop if you can see the radar
> gun that clocked you, and if it's been cleared or the cop won't show it to
> you, you cannot be ticketed.  By law, the cop *must* have a visual estimate
> of your speed, and a clocked speed on a gun of some kind (a friend of mine is
> a Sheriff in southern CO), but they apparently don't tell that to anyone.
> 
> -nate
>