Dr. Dobbs CD-ROM outside the US?

Hi Guys (F/M),

I am seeing messages about the Dr.Dobbs Crypto CD-ROM not being received
by persons inside the US, but right  now I wonder if this information is
or will  be available,  in this  form, outside of  the US?  personally I
would love to have this info available on CD-ROM, enabling me to take it
with me wherever  I go (stuck with  a laptop or notebook)...  And yes, I
would of course have no problem with  paying for it, or donating the US$
price to a good course.

Ciao,
Unicorn.
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At 05:19 PM 9/3/97 +0200, Unicorn wrote:
>Hi Guys (F/M),
>
>I am seeing messages about the Dr.Dobbs Crypto CD-ROM not being received
>by persons inside the US, but right  now I wonder if this information is
>or will  be available,  in this  form, outside of  the US?

I predict that entire image file will be available for ftp within 48 hours
of release of the CDROM.


--Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com>
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At 10:48 PM 9/3/97 -0700, Tim May wrote:
>Since when does it take 48 hours for a FedEx delivery to Europe?

Actually, some recent FedEx packages I sent to Europe took about that long.
Add   to that the overhead of going to the mailbox and putting it up for
ftp and 48 hours is cutting it pretty close.

>(Not to mention a direct transmissio, except there the chances of detection
>are actually greater.)

That depends. Some printed matter I sent to Europe not too long ago arrived
with a tag stating that diversion to certain countries would be in
violation of US export laws. I am not 100% certain, but I do not recall
that tag being on the box when it was shipped from the mailbox place. Which
suggests that somebody along the way opened the package and inspected its
contents.  When asking FedEx about this, the clerk assured me that it was
routine for US customs to inspect outgoing packages. The clerk seemed quite
confused that I was unaware of this fact.

I strongly suspect that if some Cyphercriminals were to aid in exporting
the information contained on that CDROM, they would use electronic means. I
may be wrong.

OK, I'll offer a prize: $10 in Ecash to the person that best predicts the
time it will take to export the entire contents of the Dr. Dobbs crypto CD.
The time span of interest is the average of the time during which the first
three US purchasers stating they received the CD and the time its contents
are received by a European or Asian crypto archive as determined by its
curator. If no US purchasers provide me with the time at which they
received their CD, I will use the time at which I received my CD. I am the
final judge of the contest.

Entries go to me, not to the list.


--Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com>
  PGP encrypted mail preferred.
  DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56.
  http://rc5.distributed.net/

At 10:01 PM -0700 9/3/97, Lucky Green wrote:
>At 05:19 PM 9/3/97 +0200, Unicorn wrote:
>>Hi Guys (F/M),
>>
>>I am seeing messages about the Dr.Dobbs Crypto CD-ROM not being received
>>by persons inside the US, but right  now I wonder if this information is
>>or will  be available,  in this  form, outside of  the US?
>
>I predict that entire image file will be available for ftp within 48 hours
>of release of the CDROM.
>

Since when does it take 48 hours for a FedEx delivery to Europe?

(Not to mention a direct transmissio, except there the chances of detection
are actually greater.)


(Hey, maybe someone could _print out_ the crypto code in the CD-ROM, then
export the print out, then recruit a team in Europe to pretend to OCR it,
and so on. Then they could announce that the text had been "converted from
text back to bits" and all the legal mumbo jumbo will be copacetic. The OCR
charade is a pretty good legal defense.)

--Tim May

There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws.
Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!"
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"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

All this jizzing aside, on how long it will take to get there is useless
unless someone on the other side has an ftp server that can accept
incoming files of that size? :)  I'm sure there are plenty of ftp crypto
sites out there, but how many have incoming directories that will allow
upto 650mb?  Or the equivalent of P.O. boxes and such for snail mailing of
the CD's...

Also, IMHO, if you do live outside of the USA and download the CD, you
should make an anonymous donation of $100USD or whatever to Dr. Dobbs. 
The idea is to fuck with the ITARs, not to pirate Dr. Dobbs's stuff,
after all, they were nice enough to make the stuff available... :)

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At 02:40 PM 9/4/97 -0400, Ray Arachelian wrote:
>
>All this jizzing aside, on how long it will take to get there is useless
>unless someone on the other side has an ftp server that can accept
>incoming files of that size? :)  I'm sure there are plenty of ftp crypto
>sites out there, but how many have incoming directories that will allow
>upto 650mb?  Or the equivalent of P.O. boxes and such for snail mailing of
>the CD's...
>
>Also, IMHO, if you do live outside of the USA and download the CD, you
>should make an anonymous donation of $100USD or whatever to Dr. Dobbs. 
>The idea is to fuck with the ITARs, not to pirate Dr. Dobbs's stuff,
>after all, they were nice enough to make the stuff available... :)

Another recommendation is to subscribe.

Dr. Dobbs regularly publishes articles on encryption.  (There are a couple
of articles in this months issue, including an interview with Ron Rivest,
an article on the SSH protocol, and an article on the "block cipher square
algorythm".)  One of the few programming magazines I make sure to subscribe
to...

BTW, does anyone know of the strengths and weeknesses of the Square
algorythm published in the October Dr. Dobbs?

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Lucky Green wrote:
>At 05:19 PM 9/3/97 +0200, Unicorn wrote:
>>I am seeing messages about the Dr.Dobbs Crypto CD-ROM not being received
>>by persons inside the US, but right  now I wonder if this information is
>>or will  be available,  in this  form, outside of  the US?
>
>I predict that entire image file will be available for ftp within 48 hours
>of release of the CDROM.

For anonymous ftp? You know, it's copyrighted stuff we're talking about. I
would expect it to appear on the pirate CD market before you see it on any
public ftp servers.


Mike.