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On 9/12/97 1:31 AM, Anonymous (nobody@REPLAY.COM)  passed this wisdom:

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>Now think about this: You're Joe Random Govt. Worker at the 
>official secret key repository, and there's a budget crisis going 
>on - instead of paychecks, you're getting I.O.U.'s. Your terminal 
>has access to thousands, perhaps millions, of secret keys. You grab 
>one of CitiBank's, forge a few transactions, and 30 seconds later 
>your Swiss bank account is a few million dollars fatter and 
>according to the digital signature, the transaction originated in 
>L.A.. 

 Please correct me if I am wrong, but could not a GAK backdoor be
written that will simply permit decryption only of the ciphertext and
not encryption. Would not this prevent this from happening?

  Don'tget me wrong. It scares the hell out of me too, but maybe, in
addition to that various things Tim has suggested we might also
consider how to make the GAK as secure as cam be to minimize its
potential for disaster.

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Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr
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  "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to 
   stand by and do nothing"  Edmund Burke

Brian B. Riley wrote:

>   Don'tget me wrong. It scares the hell out of me too, but maybe, in
> addition to that various things Tim has suggested we might also
> consider how to make the GAK as secure as cam be to minimize its
> potential for disaster.

  Glad, you asked...
  The reason I am posting as 'Fuck You' is that it saves time giving
my standard answer to the increasing number of idiots, schills, and
pawns on the CypherPunks list, these days.
  Not that I'm complaining, you understand. I 'like' saying, "Fuck You."
I like it a lot. As a matter of fact, I like it so fucking much that I
am amazed that the fucking idiots who ought to know better like the
person who has stolen my Net persona more than me, just because she
has a great pair of tits.
  Men...

  Oh yeah...about the post I am replying to, here.
  Brian. The bytes you saved by not including a Subject header were more
than wasted by the useless words you put in the message body.

  Close, but no cigar, Bri. Let me rephrase that for you.
   "we might also consider how to make the GAK as 'apparently' secure as 
cam (bad grammar and spelling left intact) to minimize its potential for
disaster."
  There _is_ no 'secure' in the government computer lexicon, Bri. Not 
even in the 'Cyphernomicon' will you find the word 'secure' found, used
as a substite for the phrase, "We're SAFE now, the government is using
a 'rubber'."

  Go back outside and come in again, next time with a Subject header and
a new list persona. You've pretty much ruined the one you're using now.

Fuck You
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    no, no, no --we dont try to make GAK 'better' --we dont do it
    at all. fuck them and the dirty horses they road in on.  

    _THEY_, not us, are the four horsemen of the apocolypse.

    to the despots in Washington, whose fat heads have never seen
    the sunshine, there is only one "gift"  --no code. let them
    find the dirty handed clods to do their own filthy work --if no
    decent programmers are willing to bloody their hands they will
    butcher the program more than they would otherwise, and it will
    be those miserable bastards who will be begging _us_ for mercy.

    if you believe in any freedom -dont be a fucking quisling.

 --
 "Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other."     
        --Benjamin Franklin
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on or about 970912:1933 
    "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr@together.net> expostulated:

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+On 9/12/97 1:31 AM, Anonymous (nobody@REPLAY.COM)  passed this wisdom:

+ [snip]

+>Now think about this: You're Joe Random Govt. Worker at the 
+>official secret key repository, and there's a budget crisis going 
+>on - instead of paychecks, you're getting I.O.U.'s. Your terminal 
+>has access to thousands, perhaps millions, of secret keys. You grab 
+>one of CitiBank's, forge a few transactions, and 30 seconds later 
+>your Swiss bank account is a few million dollars fatter and 
+>according to the digital signature, the transaction originated in 
+>L.A.. 

+ Please correct me if I am wrong, but could not a GAK backdoor be
+written that will simply permit decryption only of the ciphertext and
+not encryption. Would not this prevent this from happening?

+  Don'tget me wrong. It scares the hell out of me too, but maybe, in
+addition to that various things Tim has suggested we might also
+consider how to make the GAK as secure as cam be to minimize its
+potential for disaster.

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+Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr
+         For PGP Keys -  Send Email Subject "Get PGP Key"
+  "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to 
+   stand by and do nothing"  Edmund Burke