Re: The problem of playing politics with our constitutional rights

At 10:05 PM 9/11/97 -0700, James S. Tyre wrote:

>So, the last rhetorical question -- how do you convince someone who's
>never used a browser (the vast majority of the voting populace, I'd
>think) why crypto is important?
>
"Excuse me, Mr. Man On The Street...would you give an IRS auditor the keys
to your house, without him telling you if he would ever use them or if you
were being audited?"
"Of course not!"
"How would you feel about the government requiring that when you buy a
lock, you have to give a key to the IRS, and that they ought to be allowed
to sneak into your house at will, without you even being notified you've
been charged with a crime?"
"That's absurd!"
"Well, that's what they're trying to do now."
"I'll write my Congressman or woman right now!"

(Lizard is currently DLing the PGP plug-in for his beloved Eudora. Never
let it be said I can't be a nonconformist like everybody else!)

<SETH>And here we see more of the cult's recruitment. Note how he always
talks about the *GOVERNMENT* and the *IRS*. Why doesn't he talk about Pepsi
or GM wanting the keys to your house? More of this 'government bad,
business good' propaganda we've all grown so sick and tired of, being
shoved down our throats. Small wonder this list has gone to hell!" </SETH>

At 1:38 AM -0400 9/12/97, Lizard wrote:

><SETH>And here we see more of the cult's recruitment. Note how he always
>talks about the *GOVERNMENT* and the *IRS*. Why doesn't he talk about Pepsi
>or GM wanting the keys to your house? More of this 'government bad,
>business good' propaganda we've all grown so sick and tired of, being
>shoved down our throats. Small wonder this list has gone to hell!" </SETH>

Say what? Do you know how much companies pay for information about you as a
member of a demographic? (Think Equifax, Nielsen, or any mailing list
company.)

Corporations want as much info on you as possible-- luckily, the only
reason they want it is to sell you stuff, not to arrest you.


Best-- Glenn Hauman, BiblioBytes
       http://www.bb.com/

Glenn Hauman wrote:
 
> Corporations want as much info on you as possible-- luckily, the only
> reason they want it is to sell you stuff, not to arrest you.

For now...

Fuck You
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In <3419A33F.2C94@dev.null>, on 09/12/97 
   at 02:17 PM, Fuck You <fu@dev.null> said:

>Glenn Hauman wrote:
> 
>> Corporations want as much info on you as possible-- luckily, the only
>> reason they want it is to sell you stuff, not to arrest you.

>For now...

>Fuck You
>~~~~~~~~

Hmmmm seems that we have an intellectual on the list.

Now the $64 question? Did he go to Harvard or Stanford to get that liberal
arts degree??

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William H. Geiger III wrote: 
> In <3419A33F.2C94@dev.null>, on 09/12/97
>    at 02:17 PM, Fuck You <fu@dev.null> said:
> >Glenn Hauman wrote:
> >
> >> Corporations want as much info on you as possible-- luckily, the only
> >> reason they want it is to sell you stuff, not to arrest you.
> 
> >For now...
> 
> >Fuck You
> >~~~~~~~~
> 
> Hmmmm seems that we have an intellectual on the list.
> 
> Now the $64 question? Did he go to Harvard or Stanford to get that liberal
> arts degree??

Kent State.
My studies were in 'Political Philosophy', but when it came time
to give me a degree, they "gave me the 'Business'," instead.

Fuck You
"Yes. I _do_ have a hole in my head."

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At 11:14 AM 9/12/97 -0400, Glenn Hauman wrote:
>At 1:38 AM -0400 9/12/97, Lizard wrote:
>
>><SETH>And here we see more of the cult's recruitment. Note how he 
always
>>talks about the *GOVERNMENT* and the *IRS*. Why doesn't he talk 
about Pepsi
>>or GM wanting the keys to your house? More of this 'government bad,
>>business good' propaganda we've all grown so sick and tired of, 
being
>>shoved down our throats. Small wonder this list has gone to hell!" 
</SETH>
>
>Say what? Do you know how much companies pay for information about 
you as a
>member of a demographic? (Think Equifax, Nielsen, or any mailing 
list
>company.)
>
>Corporations want as much info on you as possible-- luckily, the 
only
>reason they want it is to sell you stuff, not to arrest you.

Sure...that's where the whole privacy debate comes in. Basic point 
is, if I take steps to hide that information from them, they can't 
shoot me. No company, to my knowledge, is claiming a *right* to know 
things about me -- they may demand to know things about me as their 
half of a contract, but I'm free to refuse, or falsify. And I often 
do.

I wonder if the government could 'sell' GAK to liberals, at least the 
dumber ones (not anyone on this list), by saying, "And we'll use it 
to make sure that information collected about you on the web isn't 
used improperly!" (I mean, if businesses encrypt their internal 
communications unbreakably, things like civil rights suits and the 
Pinto 'smoking gun' will be harder to prove as well. )
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In <3.0.3.32.19970912110426.0324099c@dnai.com>, on 09/12/97 
   at 11:04 AM, Lizard <lizard@dnai.com> said:

>I wonder if the government could 'sell' GAK to liberals, at least the 
>dumber ones (not anyone on this list), by saying, "And we'll use it  to
>make sure that information collected about you on the web isn't  used
>improperly!" (I mean, if businesses encrypt their internal 
>communications unbreakably, things like civil rights suits and the  Pinto
>'smoking gun' will be harder to prove as well. )

I am sure there are a few Liberal stooges that have alread been sold that
bill of goods. Several names come to mind but I'll leave that as an
exercise for the reader. :)

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