Re: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture

Tim May wrote:
> At 7:59 PM -0700 10/30/97, Anonymous wrote:
> >#Subject: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture
> >
> >CBS news tonight showed cops in a northern CA town use swabs to apply
> >"pepper spray" directly to the eyes of demonstrators in some Congressman's
> >office. One cop administered headlocks, another pried eyelids open and a
> >third administered discipline.
> >
> >That's the ticket. Skip the judge and jury, just let the
> >cops torture the perps.  Why stop at pepper spray?  Why not bamboo shoots?
> >Electric shocks to the genitals?  We must have order.

> On the other hand, the perps were trespaassers in private offices. Me, I
> would've been inclined to fire up my Stihl and separate their little fairy
> circle at their wrists.

  The manufacturer of the pepper spray used warns that it should be
used from a minimum of three feet away, as closer use will result
in tissue damage.
  Videos show the police spraying it directly in the non-violent
demonstrators eyes from inches away.
  Naturally, even if they shot the non-violent demonstrators in
the eye from inches away, with their guns, they would be provided
with a taxpayer-supported legal team to claim that the officers 
were in fear for their lives from seated, handcuffed, unarmed,
non-violent demonstrators.

  If I trespass on Tim's property, I would fully expect him to
deal with me in a manner consistent with his declared intentions.
I would expect the same from those who claim to be bound by the
same rule of law that they _force_ on the citizens.
  This non-violent demonstrators were willing to accept the agreed
upon punishment/cost of their actions in protest of the actions
of their public servants. Their public servants, as usual, chose
to to act in the manner of savages who are incapable of holding
to the rule of law which they use to justify their confiscation
of the citizen's right to bear arms in the face of tyranny.

  Twenty years or so ago, after seeing pictures of mothers and
children in chains at a Livermore Labs protest, I wrote a song
called "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For The Monkey."
  If more people had followed my example, we would be singing 
the praises of government, as Bozo sits in the Oval Office
typing new legislation which would likely be far superior to
anything we have seen in the last twenty years.
  "Time flies like an arrow...fruit flies like a banana."

TruthMonger

At 9:14 PM -0700 10/30/97, Anonymous wrote:


>  This non-violent demonstrators were willing to accept the agreed
>upon punishment/cost of their actions in protest of the actions
>of their public servants. Their public servants, as usual, chose
>to to act in the manner of savages who are incapable of holding
>to the rule of law which they use to justify their confiscation
>of the citizen's right to bear arms in the face of tyranny.

Excuse me, but this modern notion that protestors get to "make a deal"
about the fines they'll eventually pay is bogus. If they're trespassing,
they're trespassing. They don't get to take over Intel's factory, chain
themselves to the Evil Factory doors, and then make a deal to pay some
token fine.

Like the AIDS protestors who "arrange" a deal whereby they'll shut down the
Golden Gate Bridge for several hours and then pay their arranged $50
tickets.

Well, what's wrong with me driving up to the head of the sit-down protest
and saying to the cops standing idly by, "Hey, there are some queers in the
middle of the road, blocking my trip to Marin. If you're just gonna let em
sit there for hours, putting my business and plans at risk, I'm just gonna
gun my engine and drive right over their fairy asses."

Crimes are crimes, not "guerilla theater." Not "performance art."

(And I was one of the organizers of "Critical Smash," a counter-rally of
truck drivers and fed up motorists who met the "Critical Mess" bicyclists
planning to "shut down" major intersections.)

>
>  Twenty years or so ago, after seeing pictures of mothers and
>children in chains at a Livermore Labs protest, I wrote a song
>called "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For The Monkey."

I had a much better idea back then. Leave the mothers and childrens chained
to the fences and gates.

Pull back from them, erect a cordon around them, and block anyone from
approaching.  They wanted to be chained to the fence, sans keys, so let
them have their wish.

Others could show up to throw stuff at them, and place bets on who would be
the last to die.

And, as the flesh dripped off and the bones whitened, it might be a nice
object lesson for the others.


--Tim May

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