pro-crypto govt. people

This year I recall seeing 1 former prosecutor saying that widespread
encryption was good and/or that GAK was bad, and 1 military or former
military person of fairly high status saying that GAK was bad. Circa
1994-5 I also recall a military or retired miltiary person of rank
reporting that very widespread crypto would be a boost to national
security.  We could really use these people's, and similar people's, words
in pro-crypto efforts. Unfortunately, disk problems a while back cost me
most of my old mail, including all of these saved items. If anyone has
them and/or knows who these people are, please let me know.

--
Stanton McCandlish                                           mech@eff.org
Electronic Frontier Foundation                           Program Director
http://www.eff.org/~mech    +1 415 436 9333 x105 (v), +1 415 436 9333 (f)
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Andrew Grosso is the former prosecutor. I've also been chatting with Bruce
"I wrote the CDA" Taylor to see what his views are, but I suspect he'll
fall into line with his pals at the DoJ. Last week after a TV show I was
telling Donna Rice-Hughes about how crypto can protect against stalkers,
but I don't know if she understood my argument.

Others will be able to suggest many more people, I'm sure. I'm still
frazzled from my trip. Yesterday I was wandering around Chile's socialist
museum; the day before I was climbing an active volcano in the south.
//yawn//

-Declan


At 12:00 -0700 10/16/97, Stanton McCandlish wrote:
>This year I recall seeing 1 former prosecutor saying that widespread
>encryption was good and/or that GAK was bad, and 1 military or former
>military person of fairly high status saying that GAK was bad. Circa
>1994-5 I also recall a military or retired miltiary person of rank
>reporting that very widespread crypto would be a boost to national
>security.  We could really use these people's, and similar people's, words
>in pro-crypto efforts. Unfortunately, disk problems a while back cost me
>most of my old mail, including all of these saved items. If anyone has
>them and/or knows who these people are, please let me know.
>
>--
>Stanton McCandlish                                           mech@eff.org
>Electronic Frontier Foundation                           Program Director
>http://www.eff.org/~mech    +1 415 436 9333 x105 (v), +1 415 436 9333 (f)
>Are YOU an EFF member?                            http://www.eff.org/join



-------------------------
Declan McCullagh
Time Inc.
The Netly News Network
Washington Correspondent
http://netlynews.com/

At 4:23 pm -0400 on 10/16/97, Lizard wrote:


> At 04:08 PM 10/16/97 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> >Last week after a TV show I was
> >telling Donna Rice-Hughes about how crypto can protect against stalkers,
> >but I don't know if she understood my argument.
>
> Stick to words of one syllable. Hmmm...
> "If you make words hard to read, bad men will not find you."

It seems to help if she's sitting on your lap...

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At 4:23 PM -0400 10/16/97, Lizard wrote:
>At 04:08 PM 10/16/97 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>>Last week after a TV show I was
>>telling Donna Rice-Hughes about how crypto can protect against stalkers,
>>but I don't know if she understood my argument.
>
>Stick to words of one syllable. Hmmm...
>"If you make words hard to read, bad men will not find you."
>
>Try that. :)

No, put it in terms she understands:

"If you make embarassing words impossible to read, no one will be able to
read them on the front page of national newspapers."


Best-- Glenn Hauman, BiblioBytes
       http://www.bb.com/

At 04:08 PM 10/16/97 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>Last week after a TV show I was
>telling Donna Rice-Hughes about how crypto can protect against stalkers,
>but I don't know if she understood my argument.

Stick to words of one syllable. Hmmm...
"If you make words hard to read, bad men will not find you."

Try that. :)

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    regarding ranking military personnel and/or prosecuters who
    were in favour of encryption and anti-GAK, the key issue is
    former -while in rank or in the DOJ they follow the party
    line --and they _know_ what the abuses are. I know more than
    a few, but they a) wont talk about it, b) are ex-spooks (if
    there is such a thing), and c) item 'b' makes them not good 
    testimonials anyway.

    just get a list of generals retiring in the last 5 years from
    the Congressional record since there is a rank pension retirement
    requirement --survey.  likewise, Bill Clinton fired every single
    on of the U.S. prosecuting attorneys when he took office in 1993;
    same thing: survey 'em.  some career DOJ types who were pretty
    pissed and not likely to view anything Bubba and F{ree,uck} are
    pushing with approval.

    bet you come up with some positive answers. if nothing else you
    might get some quotes; and some the retired generals were pretty
    crusty.  check the man who retired as head of the army 160th
    deep black spec ops group --swore in public, his troops never
    wore regulation, beards, etc. and I think General George S. 
    Patton IV retired a couple years ago with at least 2, maybe 
    3 stars.

    they're out there; get a grunt to get on with the research.

on or about 971016:1200 
    Stanton McCandlish <mech@eff.org> was purported to have 
    expostulated to perpetuate an opinion:

#This year I recall seeing 1 former prosecutor saying that widespread
#encryption was good and/or that GAK was bad, and 1 military or former military
#person of fairly high status saying that GAK was bad. Circa 1994-5 I also
#recall a military or retired miltiary person of rank reporting that very
#widespread crypto would be a boost to national security.  We could really use
#these people's, and similar people's, words in pro-crypto efforts.
#Unfortunately, disk problems a while back cost me most of my old mail,
#including all of these saved items. If anyone has them and/or knows who these
#people are, please let me know.

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