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Re: Request for illegal electronic surveillance examples and cases

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NODE f2ce5579Re: Request for illegal electronic surveillance examples and cases
Declan writes:
>So I'm putting together a special report featuring examples of illegal
>wiretapping by governments -- to show why we shouldn't trust them with
>mandatory domestic key escrow. Also illegal electronic surveillance,
>generally speaking. Especially more recent ones. Maybe non-U.S. examples
>too.
>
>Any suggestions? I'm thinking things like: MLKjr, Mrs. Roosevelt, _Irvine_,
>_Socialist Workers Party_, Dewey-FBI alliance, mail opening, Emma Goldman,
>Brownell's blanket microphone surveillance, _Katz_, _Alderman_, CISPES.

I'd figure pretty much anything from Bamford's _The Puzzle Palace_ would
work, but the stuff on Operation Shamrock (interception of cable traffic)
might be of particular interest. Also the parts about "intelligence sharing"
with the Brits and Australians -- just because the NSA can't tap it doesn't
mean they can't get it from our "friends." No doubt the Men From Fort Meade
have been as helpful in the other direction as well.

A particularly nice detail about Shamrock is that the FBI was using the NSA
to conduct warrantless electronic surveillance of "un-American" groups by
using ELINT, which was -- of course -- "born classified."

I'd cite details, but my Bamford seems to be MIA. Maybe the MIB came for
it. . .

Ratbert
NODE 75b13429Re: Request for illegal electronic surveillance examples and cases
>Declan writes:
>>So I'm putting together a special report featuring examples of illegal
>>wiretapping by governments -- to show why we shouldn't trust them with
>>mandatory domestic key escrow. Also illegal electronic surveillance,
>>generally speaking. Especially more recent ones. Maybe non-U.S. examples
>>too.
>>Any suggestions? I'm thinking things like: MLKjr, Mrs. Roosevelt, _Irvine_,
>>_Socialist Workers Party_, Dewey-FBI alliance, mail opening, Emma Goldman,
>>Brownell's blanket microphone surveillance, _Katz_, _Alderman_, CISPES.

The year before the Supreme Court mandated the Exclusionary Rule back
in the 60s (go ask Mike Godwin for specifics :-), the New York City
Police Department didn't bother getting any search warrants.
They just searched, and if they found something, they used it.
The year _after_ the Exclusionary Rule, they got warrants.

Obviously the Feds don't keep statistics of illegal wiretaps,
just legal ones.  And they certainly don't keep stats of cellphone
conversations local police pick up with scanners.

				Thanks!
					Bill
Bill Stewart, stewarts@ix.netcom.com
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