NODE b2a0fcf9Re: Jim Bell sentencing delayed
nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)Sat, 1 Nov 1997 04:14:12 +0800
John Young wrote:
> Greg,
> What's your take on repeated delay in Jim's sentencing:
>
> 1. A squeeze on Jim to finger co-conspirators.
Aleady confirmed, upon researching a theory that Jim's 'letter
of pennance' was calculated to warn anyone with half-a-brain that
it would be unwise to put a lot of trust in either himself or
anyone working with information gleaned from the search/seizure
and/or prosecution of James Dalton (Gang?) Bell.
It is standard procedure to delay punishment in cases where:
a) The narcs are *hoping* to 'turn' the individual, and need to
string out their control over them (which diminishes rapidly
once their fate is confirmed).
b) The narcs *already have* turned the individual and are unsure
if the person is yanking their chain, trying to get a done deal
without giving up conspirators yet-to-be-born, as promised.
(Known as "the unborn" by the spook-oriented.)
c) The narcs have a 'done deal' with the individual, and need to
postpone any signs of a 'sweetheart deal' so as not to spook
(pardon the pun) the targets of an ongoing investigation.
d) The warrants are in the mail and the individual's sentencing
is dependent on future testimony/cooperation.
e) The spooks are having trouble finding the right combination of
chemicals to twist the individual's mind into a willing vessel of
their mind-control plans for them as a suitcase salesman.
> 2. Weak case, must use procedure to punish.
Delay is usually used when they've gotten some backwoods legal
aide dupe to sell their client down the river unwittingly, and
they want the individual to spend as much time as possible in
jail before finding out at his or her sentencing that they have
gotten totally screwed and they go out and get themselves a good
lawyer.
Not the case, here. Jim's lawyer knew where his future career
was buttered. Nobody unwittingly lets their client get stomped
on that badly and refuses offers of outside assistance, without
being a part of the plan.
> 3. To let time served be the sentence.
Nope.
> 4. Jim was up to something worse now being discovered
Nope. But they could very well be trying to manipulate him into
turning on others, OR (listen closely...) 'pretending' to turn on
others without really giving them up, and turning his own past
non-crimes into real-crimes in the process.
e.g. - "I don't know if John Young was *serious* about what he
said in that email to me, but I could find out, once I am out of
here." <But I will give you the Big FUCK YOU the minute my feet
hit the outside pavement.>
This is a true toilet-plunger maneuver, with the individual led
to 'making' his past actions criminal with the statements he makes
today. 'Wise guys' are susceptible to this, being too smart for
their own good, and thinking they can walk with the Devil as far
as the Bridge. <WRONG!>
> 5. Jim is a secret gov agent, now feet up in Tacoma IRS
> laughing at those who fell for suckerbait, screwball AP
> written by IRS as a sting (a recent book package to Jim was
> returned marked "Not in Jail").
a) A definite possibility, but extremely difficult to confirm.
McVeigh, for instance, did everything but wave a red flag to get
his ass picked up. Tough to tell a 'death wish' from personal
involvement in 'the plan.'
b) Jim and Tim were both 'led to believe' that they were 'part of
the plan' and will continue to believe so until it becomes obvious
that the burning coals being prepared in the pit are for them, at
which time it is a little late to start saying, "Actually, the
*real* story is..."
> 6. The court was hoodwinked by IRS, too, and the AUSA
> is preparing an indictment of the stingers and federal defenders
> and who knows who else that was in on it.
Not *that* court. That one, like the one in Denver, is a *home*
court, with *home* referees and officials.
It's tough to win in Vegas, unless you're *from* Vegas.
(Nobody calls from Vegas just to say "Hello.")
> 7. Secret Agent Jim is squealing on his double-crossing
> secret agents, cutting a deal with whoever else is double-
> crossing whomever. He's going down, they're going down,
> we're going down, the whole country's going down; Up the
> Revolution!
We can only dream...
9. 'C'hoate, 'C'hudov and 'C'ottrel are actually running the CDR
list from a cell adjoining 'B'ell's, and those whose names begin with
a 'D' will be the next to join them.
(The narcs are saving the 'A's for last, because they can't figure
out who the hell 'Anonymous' is.)
NODE 86aaec89Bell sentencing timed to coincide with raids on militia members?
Tim May <tcmay@got.net>Sat, 1 Nov 1997 05:06:59 +0800
At 12:47 PM -0700 10/31/97, Anonymous wrote:
>c) The narcs have a 'done deal' with the individual, and need to
> postpone any signs of a 'sweetheart deal' so as not to spook
> (pardon the pun) the targets of an ongoing investigation.
>d) The warrants are in the mail and the individual's sentencing
> is dependent on future testimony/cooperation.
By the way, I trust you have all seen the newswire report about a fax being
accidentally sent to a Washington (state) newspaper, advising FBI field
offices of possible militia activity in the Spokane and Washington state
areas?
Many of us believe this memo, apparently sent to the wrong address when an
FBI clerk hit the wrong button on the autosend FAX, is a hint that a series
of raids is coming. Could it be tied to information provided by Bell?
Maybe. Mabye not. But the sentencing of Bell, now delayed to November 21st,
fits with the likely timing of raids. (Thought the screwup with the fax
could delay things....)
I am including the AP text below, the key paragraphs (for "fair use").
---
Classified FBI fax sent by mistake - Oct. 27, 1997
SPOKANE, Washington (AP) -- A classified FBI document warning that
militia-linked terrorists may be plotting to bomb government
agencies during the holidays was sent by mistake to a movie
memorabilia shop.
Eric DuBois found the 11-page report on his fax machine October 9.
He called the FBI and also showed a copy to The Spokesman-Review
newspaper, which reported on the security breach Sunday.
...
The document, which bears the FBI logo and is marked
"confidential," was apparently intended to alert field agents in
the West. Based on the allegations of an informant, the report
names radicals who are believed to have stockpiled assault rifles,
handguns and explosives.
...
Copyright 1997 The Associated Press
---
Want to bet that the November 21st sentencing of Bell, right before this
very same holiday period, and in the very same region, has something to do
with the likely raids on the "radicals" "believed to have stockpiled" these
items?
Except for the explosives part, the rest of it sounds like what a lot of us
are doing. What laws are being broken by these "stockpilers"?
Get ready, folks. By the way, I'll be at the gun show at the Cow Palace in
San Francisco on the weekend of November 8-9, probably Saturday, the 8th.
Seems I'm running low on certain types of ammo, and I may want to pick up a
couple more assault rifles before Swinestein succeeds in completely banning
them.
--Tim May
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