Tim's worst nightmare.,..

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    here we go again, the AP wire just laid on this morning's
    action at Roby IL --it sounds to close to Ruby Ridge for
    my taste. This is beyond police harassment and save face
    for what was a civil action and will now end up with the
    poor lady wearing a ciminal jacket longer than her life.

October 27, 1997
Woman in Standoff Shoots at Police
Filed at 10:12 a.m.  EST
By The Associated Press

ROBY, Ill.  (AP) -- Gunfire rang out again at the home of a woman
involved in a month-long standoff with authorities who have a
court order to bring her in for psychological testing.

Shirley Allen shot a police dog through the nose Sunday after
officers threw pepper spray into her farmhouse, state police
director Terrance Gainer said.

    well, wouldn't you if the dog is put in your house...

She also fired a shot when police used mirrors on long sticks to
peer in, but no one was injured, Gainer said.

    well, wouldn't you?

Gainer said sound detection equipment had picked up a conversation
Mrs.  Allen had with herself on Friday in which she sounded as if
she was ``moving closer to suicide,'' followed by a long period of
inactivity.

    33 days the lady has stood off a virtual army who cut off her
    power, water, and telephone --wouldn't you talk to yourself 
    for company. hell, who wouldn't commit suicide rather than
    face the scheiBesturm she faces when they finally "bag" her.

That prompted police to drive an all-terrain vehicle around her
back yard Sunday, break her windows and a sliding glass door,
throw in nine canisters of pepper spray and send in a German
shepherd wired for sound.  She fired once at the dog, Gainer said.
The dog was taken to a veterinary hospital for treatment.

    shit, let's airdrop her a dozen TOW missles. she can put them
    to good use. nine canisters of pepper spray --who the hell 
    do the think they are? Los Angeles police beating Rodney King?

Mrs.  Allen, 51, has attracted the sympathy of many neighbors, and
her case has become a rallying point for those who compare it to
Ruby Ridge and Waco as an example of overzealous law enforcement.

    she needs more than sympathy, she needs some action!

Gainer said Mrs.  Allen's actions show that she is dangerous and
prove that state police cannot back off and leave her alone
because she is a threat to herself and to others.

    she wasnt dangerous until the bastards violated her privacy;
    all over the fact a greedy nephew wants to get control of
    the valuable 40 some acres. most of the family say she's fine,
    but the liberal press does not report that fairly.

The standoff, about 20 miles southeast of Springfield, started
Sept.  22 when she used a shotgun to resist sheriff's deputies
serving commitment papers obtained by her family.  Relatives said
Mrs.  Allen, a former nurse, had become increasingly depressed
after her husband died of pancreatic cancer in 1989 and recently
began refusing to see or talk to her mother and brother.

    hell, if your relatives are being assholes, you can turn the
    switch off there, too.  a telephone is solely for calling out
    with --and connecting to the net....





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At 9:21 AM -0700 10/27/97, Attila T. Hun wrote:

>October 27, 1997
>Woman in Standoff Shoots at Police
>Filed at 10:12 a.m.  EST
>By The Associated Press
>
>ROBY, Ill.  (AP) -- Gunfire rang out again at the home of a woman
>involved in a month-long standoff with authorities who have a
>court order to bring her in for psychological testing.
...

Not really "Tim's worse nightmare..."

Besides, you folks ought to see the latest self-protection gizmo, which I
just bought at the San Jose Gun Show. An Olympic Arms OA-96 pistol, firing
30 rounds of .223. Basically an AR-15 with a barrel cut down to about 6
inches, a pistol grip, and a few other changes. (Sadly, the 30-round
magazine is welded in place, to comply with the letter of the law on
"assault guns.")

I needed something for answering the door in an era where the Bad Guys
routinely wear body armor sufficient to stop handgun rounds (.45, 9mm, .40,
and sometimes even .44 Magnum). My existing AR-15 and other .223 rifles
(5.56mm, in metric/NATO) will of course punch right through any feasible
body armor now being sold, but bringing such rifles up to bear in a doorway
is tough. Hence the market for .223-based machine pistols.

(The guy who sold it to me says he's been selling quite a few of these to
police SWAT "entry teams." Entry teams, for those of you not in the know,
are the folks wearning black ninja suits and body armor who break down
doors and spray everything inside with submachines guns--usually things
like H&K MP5s. Apparently they're feeling the need to move from handgun
calibers to .223.)

These new assault pistols are already being marked for eventual outlawing,
which is why I was in kind of a hurry to get one.

Ironically, I live up on top of a ridge, about 500 feet above the valley
floor below me, with three sides almost impossible to conventional entry
methods. So, if there's a "Ruby Ridge" or "Roby Ridge" at my place, the
dynamics will be quite different.

(Yes, besides my "readiness to hand" weapons, I also have some long-range,
scope-equipped weapons.)

Only in America.....

--Tim May

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"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

Tim May wrote:
 
> Ironically, I live up on top of a ridge, about 500 feet above the valley
> floor below me, with three sides almost impossible to conventional entry
> methods. So, if there's a "Ruby Ridge" or "Roby Ridge" at my place, the
> dynamics will be quite different.

Agent #1: "Shall we go after the "Nuke DC" guy, or the grandmother?"

Agents #'s (2,3,4,5...infinity) <in unison>: "GRANDMA!!!"

Attila T. Hun <attila@hun.org> writes:
> Mrs.  Allen, 51, has attracted the sympathy of many neighbors, and
> her case has become a rallying point for those who compare it to
> Ruby Ridge and Waco as an example of overzealous law enforcement.
> 
>     she needs more than sympathy, she needs some action!

I'm wondering ... surely all those militia types are watching this
case -- wouldn't it be a real coo to intervene and rescue Mrs Allen
:-)

Let's talk tactics ... how would you disable the Feds without killing
Mrs Allen -- helicopter and nerve gas -- well organised get away?

Adam
-- 
Now officially an EAR violation...
Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/

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Adam Back wrote: 
> Attila T. Hun <attila@hun.org> writes:
> > Mrs.  Allen, 51, has attracted the sympathy of many neighbors, and
> > her case has become a rallying point for those who compare it to
> > Ruby Ridge and Waco as an example of overzealous law enforcement.
> >
> >     she needs more than sympathy, she needs some action!
 
> I'm wondering ... surely all those militia types are watching this
> case -- wouldn't it be a real coo to intervene and rescue Mrs Allen
> :-)
> 
> Let's talk tactics ... how would you disable the Feds without killing
> Mrs Allen -- helicopter and nerve gas -- well organised get away?

  Perhaps a variation on the 'Parker Plan' might work.

The Date: Mid 1980's
The Situation: Sitting in the hills of Humboldt County, Ca. guarding the
  'patch'. Relaxing on the half-moon commode when there comes the sound
  of CAMP (Campaign Against Marihuana Production) vehicles and
helicopters
  coming over the hill.
The Solution: Put on shades and baseball cap, tuck .45 in belt, join the
  'crew' as they march toward the shack, kick the door in, grab the TV
  and a chainsaw, go outside and throw them into one of the vehicles,
  wave to the 'guys', saying, "You guys get the pot, and I'll meet you
  back in town."