Re: rescue Mrs Allen from the Feds (Re: Tim's worst nightmare.,..)

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>Attila T. Hun <attila@hun.org> writes:
>> Mrs.  Allen, 51, has attracted the sympathy of many neighbors, and
>> her case has become a rallying point for those who compare it to
>> Ruby Ridge and Waco as an example of overzealous law enforcement.
>> 
>>     she needs more than sympathy, she needs some action!
>
>I'm wondering ... surely all those militia types are watching this
>case -- wouldn't it be a real coo to intervene and rescue Mrs Allen
>:-)
>
>Let's talk tactics ... how would you disable the Feds without killing
>Mrs Allen -- helicopter and nerve gas -- well organised get away?

Question: Are the Feds involved, or is it just the State of Illinois?
If the Feds really are involved, what possible justification do they
have?

The best way to help Mrs. Allen is to find ways for her to communicate
with the civilized world.

Maybe use a model airplane deliver a CB?  Or a spread spectrum radio?

Monty Cantsin
Editor in Chief
Smile Magazine
http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html
http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm

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In <506b11017bc6059ad972be3d6a7eeaa4@squirrel>, on 10/29/97 
   at 03:55 AM, Secret Squirrel <nobody@secret.squirrel.owl.de> said:

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>>Attila T. Hun <attila@hun.org> writes:
>>> Mrs.  Allen, 51, has attracted the sympathy of many neighbors, and
>>> her case has become a rallying point for those who compare it to
>>> Ruby Ridge and Waco as an example of overzealous law enforcement.
>>> 
>>>     she needs more than sympathy, she needs some action!
>>
>>I'm wondering ... surely all those militia types are watching this
>>case -- wouldn't it be a real coo to intervene and rescue Mrs Allen
>>:-)
>>
>>Let's talk tactics ... how would you disable the Feds without killing
>>Mrs Allen -- helicopter and nerve gas -- well organised get away?

>Question: Are the Feds involved, or is it just the State of Illinois? If
>the Feds really are involved, what possible justification do they have?

>The best way to help Mrs. Allen is to find ways for her to communicate
>with the civilized world.

>Maybe use a model airplane deliver a CB?  Or a spread spectrum radio?

What is needed is several thousand well armed militia to go down there and
send the JackBooted thugs packing. I am willing to donate my time to such
a worthy cause.

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> >>Let's talk tactics ... how would you disable the Feds without killing
> >>Mrs Allen -- helicopter and nerve gas -- well organised get away?
> 
> >Question: Are the Feds involved, or is it just the State of Illinois? If
> >the Feds really are involved, what possible justification do they have?
> 
> >The best way to help Mrs. Allen is to find ways for her to communicate
> >with the civilized world.
> 
> >Maybe use a model airplane deliver a CB?  Or a spread spectrum radio?
> 
> What is needed is several thousand well armed militia to go down there and
> send the JackBooted thugs packing. I am willing to donate my time to such
> a worthy cause.

that is the type of answer that gets even more people killed.
what good is developing privacy software if you are going to march out
and invite uncle sam to put a bullet in you?

i go with the model plane.

kasumi
"Just because I know nothing about crypto doesn't mean I have no common
sense."

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In <3456BE4E.3B3D@ppw.net>, on 10/29/97 
   at 01:40 PM, graycastle@ppw.net said:

>> >>Let's talk tactics ... how would you disable the Feds without killing
>> >>Mrs Allen -- helicopter and nerve gas -- well organised get away?
>> 
>> >Question: Are the Feds involved, or is it just the State of Illinois? If
>> >the Feds really are involved, what possible justification do they have?
>> 
>> >The best way to help Mrs. Allen is to find ways for her to communicate
>> >with the civilized world.
>> 
>> >Maybe use a model airplane deliver a CB?  Or a spread spectrum radio?
>> 
>> What is needed is several thousand well armed militia to go down there and
>> send the JackBooted thugs packing. I am willing to donate my time to such
>> a worthy cause.

>that is the type of answer that gets even more people killed. what good
>is developing privacy software if you are going to march out and invite
>uncle sam to put a bullet in you?

>i go with the model plane.

Well just exactly how do you think these types of atrocities are going to
be stopped?? the LEA's in this country are going to continue to bully the
citizens around until we band together and let them know that we will no
longer tolerate such behavior.

"It is better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees"

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graycastle@ppw.net
> > >The best way to help Mrs. Allen is to find ways for her to communicate
> > >with the civilized world.
> > 
> > >Maybe use a model airplane deliver a CB?  Or a spread spectrum radio?
> > 
> > What is needed is several thousand well armed militia to go down there and
> > send the JackBooted thugs packing. I am willing to donate my time to such
> > a worthy cause.
> 
> that is the type of answer that gets even more people killed.
> what good is developing privacy software if you are going to march out
> and invite uncle sam to put a bullet in you?

A robin hood style hack would be preferable -- rescue Mrs Allen
without killing any Feds, not that they might not deserve it, but it
makes for better PR.

How about the model airplane to get a spread spectrum radio to Mrs
Allen, followed by a suprise tank attack, or APC if the Feds have no
hardware with them to touch a tank, drive right into her front room.


The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-)  What are
they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens?

This kind of tactic works quite well for tyrants who have become too 
civilised.

Adam
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Adam Back wrote:
> graycastle@ppw.net

> > > What is needed is several thousand well armed militia to go down there and
> > > send the JackBooted thugs packing. I am willing to donate my time to such
> > > a worthy cause.
> >
> > that is the type of answer that gets even more people killed.
> > what good is developing privacy software if you are going to march out
> > and invite uncle sam to put a bullet in you?
 
> A robin hood style hack would be preferable -- rescue Mrs Allen
> without killing any Feds, not that they might not deserve it, but it
> makes for better PR.

PR? Non-Violent?
How about bombing the former site of the Murrah Federal Building in
support of Ms. Roby of 1997?
How much clearer and non-life threatening (for now) can a message be?

Tim C. McVeigh
"'Pull it, Sir.' prize winner of Cell Block 709."

On Wed, Oct 29, 1997 at 11:17:43AM +0000, Adam Back wrote:
> 
[...]
> 
> 
> The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-)  What are
> they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens?

The 100 citizens would probably be shot by Mrs Allen.

-- 
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In <19971029072956.23995@bywater.songbird.com>, on 10/29/97 
   at 07:29 AM, Kent Crispin <kent@bywater.songbird.com> said:

>On Wed, Oct 29, 1997 at 11:17:43AM +0000, Adam Back wrote:
>> 
>[...]
>> 
>> 
>> The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-)  What are
>> they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens?

>The 100 citizens would probably be shot by Mrs Allen.

More like 1,000 citizens would be shot on orders from Jim (can believe
they made that pick governor) Edgar and then blamed on Mrs Allen who also
would be shot.

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Kent Crispin <kent@bywater.songbird.com> writes:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 1997 at 11:17:43AM +0000, Adam Back wrote:
> > The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-)  What are
> > they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens?
> 
> The 100 citizens would probably be shot by Mrs Allen.

Heh, yeah.  That's why you need to send in the spread spectrum phone
first, to let her know what you're planning -- else she'll just think
it's a ploy by the Feds.

Adam
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Adam Back writes:

> Heh, yeah.  That's why you need to send in the spread spectrum phone
> first, to let her know what you're planning -- else she'll just think
> it's a ploy by the Feds.

Yes - it would very embarrassing if Mrs. Allen shot holes in her would-be
Cypherpunk and Militia rescuers. 

We need to strap Sternlight to a metal pole and thrust him through the
door until we are absolutely sure she is out of bullets.

--
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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In <199710292133.PAA00380@wire.insync.net>, on 10/29/97 
   at 03:33 PM, Eric Cordian <emc@wire.insync.net> said:

>Adam Back writes:

>> Heh, yeah.  That's why you need to send in the spread spectrum phone
>> first, to let her know what you're planning -- else she'll just think
>> it's a ploy by the Feds.

>Yes - it would very embarrassing if Mrs. Allen shot holes in her would-be
>Cypherpunk and Militia rescuers. 

>We need to strap Sternlight to a metal pole and thrust him through the
>door until we are absolutely sure she is out of bullets.

I'll bring the pole & duct tape!! :)

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Adam Back wrote:
>Kent Crispin <kent@bywater.songbird.com> writes:
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 1997 at 11:17:43AM +0000, Adam Back wrote:
>> > The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-)  What are
>> > they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens?
>> 
>> The 100 citizens would probably be shot by Mrs Allen.
>
>Heh, yeah.  That's why you need to send in the spread spectrum phone
>first, to let her know what you're planning -- else she'll just think
>it's a ploy by the Feds.

Perhaps she just wants to be left alone???

Anonymous wrote:
> Adam Back wrote:
> >Kent Crispin <kent@bywater.songbird.com> writes:
> >> On Wed, Oct 29, 1997 at 11:17:43AM +0000, Adam Back wrote:
> >> > The Gandi style walk in, in numbers walk off with Mrs Allen :-)  What are
> >> > they going to do, shoot 1000 unarmed citizens?

> >> The 100 citizens would probably be shot by Mrs Allen.

> >Heh, yeah.  That's why you need to send in the spread spectrum phone
> >first, to let her know what you're planning -- else she'll just think
> >it's a ploy by the Feds.
 
> Perhaps she just wants to be left alone???

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