NODE b71eafb4Your "RIGHT" to Speak to Big Brother
Eric Cordian <emc@wire.insync.net>Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:20:02 +0800
Today Janet "The Bitch of Waco" Reno held a news conference
announcing that, in her not-so-humble opinion, Microsoft
Corporation was in violation of a consent decree by virtue of
bundling Internet Explorer with Windows '95, and that she was
asking for a $1 million a day fine.
Ho Hum.
However, one tiny item in her news conference caught my
attention. It wasn't related to IE or Windows, but to company
secrets protected by non-disclosure agreements.
Even though Microsoft has indicated that it does not intend for
its non-disclosure agreements to be binding in a way which
prevents persons from disclosing anything they like to the DOJ in
a criminal investigation, the Feds apparently want the concept of
non-disclosure to the government scrapped.
Everyone, they claim, has a "right" to speak to the government on
any subject whatsoever, which cannot be abrogated by anything as
flimsy as a contract or agreement, designed to protect anothers
secrets. After all, the government is your friend, and is here
to help you.
This was made clearer when The Bitch of Waco introduced her
minion, Assistant Attorney General Joel Klein.
"We're asking the court to order Microsoft to tell
everyone who has signed or who in the future will sign
a non- disclosure agreement, that it doesn't apply to
the government, period. We won't allow anyone to
interfere with the people's right to provide
information to their government."
And there you have it. The people's right to provide their
neighbor's proprietary information their government shall not be
infringed. How Constitutional-Sounding.
--
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
NODE b506052dRe: Your "RIGHT" to Speak to Big Brother
Tim May <tcmay@got.net>Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:54:44 +0800
At 8:13 PM -0700 10/20/97, Eric Cordian wrote:
>This was made clearer when The Bitch of Waco introduced her
>minion, Assistant Attorney General Joel Klein.
>
> "We're asking the court to order Microsoft to tell
> everyone who has signed or who in the future will sign
> a non- disclosure agreement, that it doesn't apply to
> the government, period. We won't allow anyone to
> interfere with the people's right to provide
> information to their government."
You left out the Really Interesting paragraph:
"We're also asking loyal Americans within companies to send us the CMR
secret keys. Companies have no right to keep secrets from government. We
won't allow a company to have policies which prevent loyal Americans from
providing information to their government."
(He didn't say this, but he may as well have. What the Justice Department
is arguing is that it wants spies within companies. It wants narcs. It
wants people to funnel information to them.)
By the way, I think the notion that the government will go to great lengths
to get CMR secret keys is not far-fetched. Until PGP for Business supports
a richer system of snoopware keys--and my understanding is that PGP 5.5
does _not_--then the CMR secret key of, say, Microsoft, would be a prize
indeed.
This is of course a security weakness of the whole CMR approach, exactly as
with the key escrow database. It is a too-tempting target. Anyone within a
company with access to the CMR secret key will be incentivized to sell it.
I am offering $25,000 for the CMR key for Microsoft. (As a loyal American,
I plan to then send it to Janet Reno and Louis Freeh.)
Of course, Microsoft won't be using PGP for Business. Recall that they may
have their own "software key escrow" program cooking, based on my
discussion a few years ago with Tom Albertson (sp?) of Microsoft. Bill
Gates has issued strongly anti-GAK statements, so maybe this is on hold.
--Tim May
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NODE 0767d392the migration path (was Re: Your "RIGHT" to Speak to Big Brother)
Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk>Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:13:51 +0800
Tim May <tcmay@got.net> writes:
> "We're also asking loyal Americans within companies to send us the CMR
> secret keys. Companies have no right to keep secrets from government. We
> won't allow a company to have policies which prevent loyal Americans from
> providing information to their government."
>
> By the way, I think the notion that the government will go to great lengths
> to get CMR secret keys is not far-fetched. Until PGP for Business supports
> a richer system of snoopware keys--and my understanding is that PGP 5.5
> does _not_--then the CMR secret key of, say, Microsoft, would be a prize
> indeed.
I think the CMR public key extension is not limited to one CMR extra
recipient per key. Closely following discussions on ietf-open-pgp,
and the notes Bill Stewart kindly posted to this list (taken from the
description PGP Inc gave at a meeting in the US) it sounded to me that
there is a migration path like this:
pgp5.0: accepts keys with multiple CMR key requests attached but
doesn't honour CMR requests (? I hope!), and can't generate keys
with CMR requests
pgp5.5: generates keys with single CMR requests, can accept and handle
keys with multiple CMR requests
pgp6.x: will generate keys with multiple CMR requests (and of course
honour them too)
This suggests that the yet to be released pgp6.x (or whatever version
number is chosen) will be able to cater to such government demands
merely by the company generating their keys with two CMR requests:
recovery@acme.com
thoughtpolice@nsa.gov
The NSA can publish their public key on http://www.nsa.gov/ tomorrow,
and the law by presidential decree the day after. This is the
balanced Sword of Damocles over privacy for real now: this is the
switch waiting to be flicked. This is why I am upset with PGP Inc
for using the CMR approach. It is not CMR per se as a neutral
mechanism, but it is the approach of building tools which
allow third party access, or "recovery" of communications traffic which
has enabled all of this.
This despite their stated corporate user requirement being storage
recovery.
> This is of course a security weakness of the whole CMR approach, exactly as
> with the key escrow database. It is a too-tempting target. Anyone within a
> company with access to the CMR secret key will be incentivized to sell it.
I agree, it is a centralised security risk. PGP Inc are talking about
adding secret splitting perhaps, but still it is a security risk. The
whole technique of sending recovery information over the wire is a
security risk. Recovery information if there is any should be kept on
local disks and thereby be protected by the companies normal physical
security in the same way that papers in filing cabinets are. This is
the status quo. (Well actually no encryption at all locally is
largely the status quo, but pgp5.0 (and I presume pgp5.5) is also able
to encrypt files, and PGP Inc argues more reasonably that their corporate
clients have a requirement of being able to recover stored encrypted
files also).
Regardless it is trivial to have local storage recovery without
sending recovery information over the wire. I'll be posting (web and
list) a security analysis of CMR vs CDR presently; I think CMR loses
badly from even a purely security oriented standpoint. (I have made
my feelings about the political demerits of CMR as a storage recovery
mechanism known already).
> Of course, Microsoft won't be using PGP for Business. Recall that they may
> have their own "software key escrow" program cooking, based on my
> discussion a few years ago with Tom Albertson (sp?) of Microsoft. Bill
> Gates has issued strongly anti-GAK statements, so maybe this is on hold.
Perhaps this is what they are busy building at their top-sikrit crypto
software development/research center at Cambridge, UK under the
guidance of new head of research cryptographer Roger Needham.
Looks like an export embargo end-run by Bill Gates.
Maybe Bill Gates is a cypherpunk after all, well we can live in hope,
anyway.
Adam
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