NODE f19bd434new in EFC's media archives - Mondex, crypto (fwd)
Martin Janzen <janzen@idacom.hp.com>Thu, 2 Oct 1997 06:41:57 +0800
Electronic Frontier Canada's David Jones (djones@insight.dcss.McMaster.CA)
posted the following to the EFC mailing list:
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New in EFC's media archives:
1. Plastic treasure ... not so smart after all
http://www.efc.ca/pages/media/guardian.24sep97.html
This article reports that a team in the Netherlands
made a "successful attack" on a Mondex chip (Hitachi H8/3101)
by activating a test mode in which the chip dumps its
contents to a serial port. John Beric, security manager
for Mondex simply says "I have never SEEN a report saying
they have broken Mondex". (Is this plausible deniability?? ;-)
The article also makes mention of EFC getting hassled by
the National Bank of New Zealand over a leaked memo.
In the mean time, Mondex is trying to ramp up deployment of
its new chip, the Hitachi H8/3109, which (for the first time apparently)
implements public key crypto.
2. If cops can read E-mail, so can the bad guys
http://www.efc.ca/pages/media/gazette.24sep97.html
Some coverage of the "crypto" issue in the context of
a major international privacy conference held in Montreal
last week. EFC scored some coverage for its position
statement on crypto: http://www.efc.ca/pages/crypto/policy.html
including a quote in favour of strong crypto:
"There is a far greater risk to individuals, businesses, and the
government if we are unable to effectively prevent criminals from
gaining unauthorized access to our records and communications."
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NODE ce085285Mr. Policeman is Your Friend
Tim May <tcmay@got.net>Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:57:16 +0800
At 3:20 PM -0700 10/1/97, Martin Janzen wrote:
>Electronic Frontier Canada's David Jones (djones@insight.dcss.McMaster.CA)
>posted the following to the EFC mailing list:
>2. If cops can read E-mail, so can the bad guys
> http://www.efc.ca/pages/media/gazette.24sep97.html
Let's not forget that cops are often the bad guys.
And I don't mean this in a macho, off-the-pigs way. I mean that throughout
history the "cops" are those who have enforced the laws and whims of
tyrants, who have arrested and tortured and executed dissidents and
nonconformists of all flavors, and who were the "King's men" in the times
of the Founders.
Even in more recent decades in the U.S., don't forget it was "cops" who
harassed civil rights workers, who broke up perfectly legal strikes, who
arrested and imprisoned Eugene Debs for speaking out against the draft in
particular and a foolish war, WW 1, in general, and so on. One need only
look to J. Edgar Hoover and his police state measures.
(In fact, the very term "police state" tells us all we need to know about
whether or not "Mr. Policeman is Your Friend" is always, or even most of
the time, true.)
And with full awareness that I am invoking Godwin's Law, the "cops" in
Europe in the 1933-45 period were the enforcers of Hitler's policies.
Here's a list of some folks throughout history and in various regimes who
would likely have reason not to want to escrow their keys with the local
police:
Jews, Catholics, Protestants, atheists, heretics, schismatics, heathens,
poets, authors, Scharansky, Solzhenitsyn, refuseniks, Chinese dissidents,
students in front of tanks, Branch Davidians, Scientologists, Jesus,
Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, African National Congress, UNITA, Thomas Jefferson,
Patrick Henry, colonial rebels, patriots, Tories, Basque separatists,
Algerian separatists, secessionists, abolitionists, John Brown, draft
opponents, communists, capitalists, imperialist lackeys, anarchists,
Charlie Chaplin, Galileo, Joan of Arc,, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King,
Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, civil rights workers, Margaret Sanger, birth
control activists, abortionists, anti-abortionists, Michael Milken, Robert
Vesco, Marc Rich, Nixon's Enemies, Hoover's enemies, Clinton's enemies,
Republicans, Democrate, anarchists, labor organizers, pornographers,
readers of "Playboy," viewers of images of women whose faces are uncovered,
Amateur Action, Jock Sturges, violators of the CDA, alt.fan.karla-homulka
readers, Internet Casino customers, Scientologists, Rosicrucians,
royalists, Jacobins, Hemlock Society activists, Jimmy Hoffa, John L. Lewis,
Cesar Chavez, opponents of United Fruit, land reformers, Simon Bolivar,
Robin Hood, Dennis Banks, American Indian Movement, Jack Anderson, Daniel
Ellsberg, peace activists, Father Berrigan, Mormons, Joseph Smith,
missionaries, Greenpeace, Animal Liberation Front, gypsies, diplomats, U.N.
ambassadors, Randy Weaver, David Koresh, Ayotollah Khomeini, John Gotti,
Papists, Ulstermen, IRA, Shining Path, militia members, tax protestors,
Hindus, Sikhs, Lech Walesa, Polish labor movement, freedom fighters,
revolutionaries, Ben Franklin, Thomas Paine, and "suspects"
--Tim May
The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography
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Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments.
"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
NODE bfbd3450Re: Mr. Policeman is Your Friend
"Attila T. Hun" <attila@hun.org>Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:06:48 +0800
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Tim May <tcmay@got.net> purported to expostulate:
[snip antecedent]
+Let's not forget that cops are often the bad guys.
[read Tim's excellent analysis and list in original]
the thin blue line: just whose side are the police on?
"the police are the lowest element of our society"
(either Cato or Marcellus at the time of Julius Caesar)
the cop is often a thug with a clean enough record to join the force
and continue his trade.
if you want to break heads, join the police; if you want to
destroy buildings, join the fire department.
these [wo]men may be public servants, but as Tim points out, just
who is the master. In the US, "We the people" should be the masters,
but are we? obviously not.
read my DejaVu - Cypherpunks as Philosopher Kings. yes, it is
inflammatory, but the cards are on the table. we're being set
up to have less rights that are available under the UN declaration
which has the same right of assembly and protest --as long as it is
not against the security of the state.
if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. obvious,
particularly in America; but think of another implication:
if the government of the US no longer truly represents
"We the people," is not the government an outlaw government?
"if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" takes
on a whole new meaning...
and, remember, we are not fighting a war with guns; we are fighting a
war for the control of communication and information and that is one
of the primary functions of cypherpunks: to ensure the freedom of
speech, including [specifically] encrypted speech.
--
"Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other."
--Benjamin Franklin
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NODE 059feb09Re: Mr. Policeman is Your Friend
"S. M. Halloran" <mitch@duzen.com.tr>Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:47:27 +0800
Tim May <tcmay@got.net> wrote on 1 Oct 97:
> At 3:20 PM -0700 10/1/97, Martin Janzen wrote:
> >Electronic Frontier Canada's David Jones (djones@insight.dcss.McMaster.CA)
> >posted the following to the EFC mailing list:
>
> >2. If cops can read E-mail, so can the bad guys
> > http://www.efc.ca/pages/media/gazette.24sep97.html
>
[much interesting exposition on the police as servants of government
deleted]
I have a question: has any jurisdiction (local, state, federal) in
the U.S. resolved the hyprocrisy--maybe better to phrase "double
standard"--wherein citizens who commit crimes against persons who
perform duties under the color and badge of authority--namely the
police--are charged with additional offenses specific for crimes
against govt officers--but govt officers who commit crimes against
citizens while in the performance of duties under the color and badge
of authority would suffer the same penalty as citizens who commit
crimes against "just" citizens? (hope you can follow that perhaps
awkward question)
It is my opinion that if I am charged with felony assault on a police
officer, and the judge gives me 2 years for the assault + 1 year for
doing it to an officer, that if that cop gets rough with me beyond
what is legally necessary (excessive force?) or does it in the
commission of other crimes and does so having informed others that
the officer is performing his duties (this resolves disputes between
the concept of "on-duty" and "off-duty"), then he should get 2 years
for the crime + 1 year for having violated the public trust vested in
him (i.e., doing while "under the color and badge of authority"). I
don't know why I think this way, but it's a concept I call FAIRNESS
or maybe JUSTICE.
Mitch Halloran
Research Biochemist/C programmer/Sequioa's (dob 12-20-95) daddy
Duzen Laboratories Group
mitch@duzen.com.tr
NODE 2c70c7a8Re: Mr. Policeman is Your Friend
"Attila T. Hun" <attila@hun.org>Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:30:16 +0800
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"S. M. Halloran" <mitch@duzen.com.tr> purported to expostulate:
[snip - part of original text follows at the end of new message]
the US initiated "Civil Rights" legislation at the
Federal level to deal with the abuse of a persons
liberty. It has been used many ways, but its original
intent was to be able to charge, convict, and punish
racist miscreants in the South for murdering Civil
Rights activists who would walk scott free when tried
for murder as white juries would not convict them
(twelve "good" men unanimously). The statue was
effectively retroactive.
another perfect example, although I personally think
poorly applied as I knew the Sergeant who was scapegoated
when they convicted the animal who deserved it: The
Rodney King case. A suburban white jury not-guiltied
the four officers, except one "hung" count on the
animal. The Feds stepped in and charged them with Civil
Rights violations.
for a hilarious exposition on impartial juries, read
Mark Twain's Virginia City writings.
The animal and the Sergeant were convicted; the judge
sentenced them to 30 months or something; the Feds
appealed since it was less than the guidelines, and the
appeals court sent it back for resentencing; the judge
repeated the sentence; by this time they were free
anyway. The argument on the sentence is probably still
going on... <g>
however, specifically to your question of an additive
sentence for a person operating under the colour of law:
no --except, the prosecutor could file additional
charges of 'operating under the colour of law' --and the
judge could specify that the sentence for that violation
is to run after the others which would extend the time
(often referred to as "running wild").
The remedy is there; the difficulty is in getting it
applied unless the case is notorious.
and, it provides for penalties ranging all the way to
the death penalty. a very comprehensive, catch-all law
which is rarely applied equally.
another great American legal innovation which is even
more of travesty: RICO --Racketeering Influenced
Corrupt Organizations. it only takes 3 in the
conspiracy to invoke it, and by itself it has a
mandatory 20 years no parole; if it is 6 or more people,
it is life without parole.
common law no longer exists in the US. the courts are
all Admiralty Courts where the only habeus corpus you
have is what the court might gratuitously grant you.
FDR sold the country into legal bankruptcy on 9 Mar 33
pledging all Americans and their property as collateral.
Bankruptcy is a contract matter, and as such is not
subject to common law. Americans live by being licensed
to exist --the license starts with the social security
number which is now required to be issued at birth.
--
"When I die, please cast my ashes upon Bill Gates.
For once, let him clean up after me! "
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"attila" 1024/C20B6905/23 D0 FA 7F 6A 8F 60 66 BC AF AE 56 98 C0 D7 B0
+I have a question: has any jurisdiction (local, state, federal) in
+the U.S. resolved the hyprocrisy--maybe better to phrase "double
+standard"--wherein citizens who commit crimes against persons who
+perform duties under the color and badge of authority--namely the
+police--are charged with additional offenses specific for crimes
+against govt officers--but govt officers who commit crimes against
+citizens while in the performance of duties under the color and badge
+of authority would suffer the same penalty as citizens who commit
+crimes against "just" citizens? --
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