RE: export restictions and investments

I am also aware of a company called VASCO that bought a crypto chip maker in Belgium which was apparently OK too.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From:	Jyri Kaljundi [SMTP:jk@stallion.ee]
Sent:	Tuesday, November 18, 1997 4:45 AM
To:	cypherpunks@toad.com; cryptography@c2.net
Subject:	export restictions and investments


How do the US export restrictions affect investments into non-US crypto
companies? Is it legal for US private persons or companies to invest money
into companies developing strong crypto applications for example in
Europe? 

Since Sun bought the Russian Elvis+ company it seems to be Ok, just wanted
to check if there are any other opinions. Does anyone know of any other
non-US companies that have received US investments, or venture capital or
whatever?

Jyri Kaljundi
jk@stallion.ee
AS Stallion Ltd
http://www.stallion.ee/

At 03:12 AM 11/20/1997 +0100, Lucky Green wrote:
>At this point a brief overview of modexp accelerators might be  in order:
>o the Belgian chips I've seen are too slow.
>o the Rainbow board is OK, but non-exportable.
>o the Chrysalis PCMCIA card has the same performance as the Rainbow board
>at half the price.  Also non-exportable.
>o  the Ncipher SCSI based accelearator screams, but it a bit pricey.
>UK product. Exportable (?) http://www.ncipher.com/
>o a high-end Alpha also performs rather nicely, according to some
>benchmarks Eric Young once posted.

All of the non-exportable ones sound like specialized cryptographic devices,
which are of course evil threats to Yankee National Security,
so of course they're not exportable.  On the other hand, if they weren't
crypto-specific, but just did modexps or other bignum stuff,
as long as they weren't faster than a PentiumII-400, 
and didn't use the C-word in the product literature, they'd be exportable.

				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, stewarts@ix.netcom.com
Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

At 03:12 AM 11/20/1997 +0100, Lucky Green wrote:
>At this point a brief overview of modexp accelerators might be  in order:
>o the Belgian chips I've seen are too slow.
>o the Rainbow board is OK, but non-exportable.
>o the Chrysalis PCMCIA card has the same performance as the Rainbow board
>at half the price.  Also non-exportable.
>o  the Ncipher SCSI based accelearator screams, but it a bit pricey.
>UK product. Exportable (?) http://www.ncipher.com/
>o a high-end Alpha also performs rather nicely, according to some
>benchmarks Eric Young once posted.

All of the non-exportable ones sound like specialized cryptographic devices,
which are of course evil threats to Yankee National Security,
so of course they're not exportable.  On the other hand, if they weren't
crypto-specific, but just did modexps or other bignum stuff,
as long as they weren't faster than a PentiumII-400, 
and didn't use the C-word in the product literature, they'd be exportable.

				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, stewarts@ix.netcom.com
Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Jack Oswald wrote:

> 
> I am also aware of a company called VASCO that bought a crypto chip maker in Belgium which was apparently OK too.

At this point a brief overview of modexp accelerators might be  in order:

o the Belgian chips I've seen are too slow.
o the Rainbow board is OK, but non-exportable.
o the Chrysalis PCMCIA card has the same performance as the Rainbow board
at half the price.  Also non-exportable.
o  the Ncipher SCSI based accelearator screams, but it a bit pricey.
UK product. Exportable (?) http://www.ncipher.com/
o a high-end Alpha also performs rather nicely, according to some
benchmarks Eric Young once posted.

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