Re: Return of the Living Zundel, from The Netly News

Steve Thompson wrote:
> In local.lists.cypherpunks-moderated you write:
> >http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,1561,00.html
> >The Netly News Network (http://netlynews.com/)
> >        "A lot of people think this case is about censoring the Net,"
> >   said Bernie Farber, national director of community relations for the
> >   Canadian Jewish Congress. "It isn't. It's about a Canadian violating
> >   Canadian law. In Canada and in every other Western democracy but the
> >   U.S., there are limits to free speech and one of those points is
> >   vilification.

> I took a short 'course' on hate-crimes in downtown Toronto where this goof was
> the speaker.  In very short order, I had decided that his agenda was merely to
> be in some small position of authority.  He's a pro-censorship freak who wants
> to protect the chiiillldreeeen from views he doesn't like.  It was quite
> amusing to pin him down a little -- he squirmed and stated that he _did_ want
> the government to protect him from things he didn't want to hear; in a rather
> shrill tone.  It made me laugh in retrospect but at the time I was, I confess,
> shocked -- having encountered such idiocy only in print or on USENET.

  After the government has finished arming park rangers, as well as all
federal daycare workers and filing clerks, I suppose they will begin
giving
surplus military weapons to USENET censors, and the like, and deputizing
them so that they can legally enforce their own narrow views.
 
> It boggles the mind.

  Hey! Watch your language, pal. You can't say 'boggles' on a family
list!

BogglesMonger

At 10:44 PM -0700 11/8/97, Anonymous wrote:

>  After the government has finished arming park rangers, as well as all
>federal daycare workers and filing clerks, I suppose they will begin
>giving
>surplus military weapons to USENET censors, and the like, and deputizing
>them so that they can legally enforce their own narrow views.


The arms race is on. The Feds are arming themselves, and the citizen-units
are doing likewise.

At the San Francisco Gun Show this past weekend, I watched with great
amusement as the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office deputies and Brisbane
Police stared in apparent horror as citizen-units loaded up on
high-capacity mags, armor-piercing ammo, Class III body armor, and on and
on. The cops are stationed at the door, ostensibly to spot gross violations
of the law, such as carry of loaded weapons. The cops asked me if I was
carrying guns into the show to sell...I just shrugged. Without a warrant,
they were helpless to do more than just ask. It was a gas.

(A friend of a friend scored a "cold" Glock 17L...$400 in "NQA" condition,
immediate delivery.)

Billy Boy Gates was a hit of the show. Because of his support of Washington
State "676" bill, t-shirts with his face in the crosshairs.

(Me, I think he' just a misguided billionaire with the usual Kennedyesque
guilt feelings that cause him to want to "do something." I wish him no
particular harm. But some of the guys I talked to said he ought to be taken
out with a .308 "unmaskable interrupt." This as they were looking over a
heavy barrel Remington Sendero in 300 Winchester Magnum. Just the thing for
reaching out and touching someone. A bit extreme, but the gun shows bring
out the honesty in people.)

All I bought were some lasers, some .223 vest-piercers, and a few special
parts for my Colt HBAR. Oh, and I took delivery on a so-called "assault
pistol"--30 rounds of .223 rifle ammunition in a package that fits under an
overcoat. I'll be ready for the November Raids.

Like I said, the cops appeared chagrinned. I think they realize the
anti-gun efforts have backfired, causing citizen-units to arms themselves
as never before. As fast as the Congressvermin can pass laws, loopholes
appear.

I used to go to gun shows a lot, back in the 70s and 80s, and I can tell
you that the efforts by Klinton and Swinestein and the American Jewish
Congress and all the other vermin are only having the effect of causing our
kind of people to arm themselves to the teeth. There are probably more
30-round assault rifle mags available now that at the height of the Viet
Nam war.


30-round Glock mags, 15-round HK USP mags, and literally thousands of
high-capacity AR-15, AK-47, and SKS mags were readily available.

A friend of mine scored at least 15 Glock mags, a dozen AR-15 mags, and a
set of four AK-47 mags. (Even I have to admit he's gone overboard...how can
he ever use the dozen or so assault rifles and submachine guns he owns?
Many of them "cold.")

Why can't the gun grabbers realize that Americans will not give up their
guns, and that every wave of efforts to try to grab them just stimulates
the market even more?

Interesting times. The rumored November raids could be very interesting.

--Tim May


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on or about 971110:1309, in <v03102803b08c532f2fec@[207.167.93.63]>, 
    Tim May <tcmay@got.net> was purported to have 
    expostulated to perpetuate an opinion:

>Why can't the gun grabbers realize that Americans will not give up their guns,
>and that every wave of efforts to try to grab them just stimulates the market
>even more?

>Interesting times. The rumored November raids could be very interesting.

>--Tim May

    yes, which november? this nov is gone, but I am still waiting 
    patiently for my share. maybe next year.

    actually, I think I'll hide under the bed and hope the dogs
    cant find me. any man defending himself from under his bed 
    cant be guilty of murder, can he?

    he who dies with the most notches wins?

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