Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism

At 06:38 PM 11/23/97 -0500, Jon Galt wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Mikhael Frieden wrote:
>
>> At 08:12 PM 11/18/97 -0700, Tim May wrote:

>(May)

>> >And what would be wrong with this?
 
>(Frieden)

>>         Not a damned thing. While in this country they are in the act of
>> committing a crime.

>And who is it that gets to decide what is a "crime" and what is not?  

        It would appear to me that an illegal in the country is as much in
the act of committing a crime as a burglar is while in a place other than
his own. 

>The 
>politicos, the bureaucrats, the hoodlums in DC and elsewhere who think 
>they have the right to run the lives of everybody else.

        The politicians are responding to voters. The voters who are
pressuring them are siding with foreign nationals against the interests of
the United States which is presumed to be their new country of loyalty.
That siding should be sufficient justification remove citizenship and
return them to the land of dysentary and mui Ninos. 

>Again I ask the question:
>What gives the hoodlums in Washington DC the right to draw a line on a 
>map and control people's travel across that line?

        The people who made handgun ownership a felony gave them that right. 

        Lawmakers are resonsible for all foreseeable consequences not just
the intended consequences. 


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The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

> >>         Not a damned thing. While in this country they are in the act of
> >> committing a crime.

(Galt)
> >And who is it that gets to decide what is a "crime" and what is not?  

(Frieden)
>         It would appear to me that an illegal in the country is as much in
> the act of committing a crime as a burglar is while in a place other than
> his own. 

I don't dispute this.  If a "crime" is defined as whatever the 
politicos/bureaucrats/hoodlums say it is, then a "crime" is certainly 
being committed.  (Of course there is another definition of crime.)


(Galt)
> >The 
> >politicos, the bureaucrats, the hoodlums in DC and elsewhere who think 
> >they have the right to run the lives of everybody else.

(Frieden)
>         The politicians are responding to voters. The voters who are
> pressuring them are siding with foreign nationals against the interests of
> the United States which is presumed to be their new country of loyalty.

"If voting could change anything, it would have been outlawed long ago."  
Not strictly true.  But if I vote or don't vote...well it's just about 
the same difference as whether I buy a lottery ticket or not.

Don't vote - it only ENCOURAGES them!

> That siding should be sufficient justification remove citizenship and
> return them to the land of dysentary and mui Ninos. 

Citizenship, Schmitizenship.  Granted I don't want to renounce my 
citizenship - at least not at the moment.  But the whole game of riling 
up people's emotions about "citizenship" and "patriotism" is just a bread 
and circuses ruse to keep us focused on something other than what the 
professional control freaks are doing to us.


(Galt)
> >Again I ask the question:
> >What gives the hoodlums in Washington DC the right to draw a line on a 
> >map and control people's travel across that line?
> 
>         The people who made handgun ownership a felony gave them that right. 

The people who made handgun ownership a felony should be sent down a dark 
alley without any means of self-defense.  Perhaps they would gain a small 
glimmer of understanding of the real issues - unless they already 
understand that they are the hoodlums around the corner in the dark 
alley.  In that case....

>         Lawmakers are resonsible for all foreseeable consequences not just
> the intended consequences. 

Lawmakers can hardly be held responsible for tying their own shoes!  I 
suspect you had your satire mode on full when you wrote this.

> 
> 
> -=-=-
> The 2nd guarantees all the rest. 
> 
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