Re: SynCrypt: the new PGP?

> > It is like pgp but has lots of cool features.  File wiping, group
> > encryption, automatic encryption of files put in certain directories.
> 
> Am I supposed to be impressed?  They only support the proprietary
> products of a company supporting draconian gun controls.

You mean Microsoft.  It's foolish to reject encryption software because
it runs on the OS used by 90% of its customers.

> >Is this the new pgp?  No gak or even cak in sight.
> 
> No source no security.

You don't trust Schneier?  You've seen the limitations of source code
release.  Experts like Schneier and his team designing the crypto is
worth more than a bunch of know nothings scratching their heads and
wondering where to begin with 1000+ pages of source code.

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An entity claiming to be Anonymous wrote:

: 
: You mean Microsoft.  It's foolish to reject encryption software because
: it runs on the OS used by 90% of its customers.

If the software is only available for Windoze, I think it's safe to say
that 100% of it's users use Windoze.  Nonetheless, open standards are 
a very good thing indeed.  This message having reached you is proof of it.

: > No source no security.
: 
: You don't trust Schneier?  You've seen the limitations of source code
: release.  Experts like Schneier and his team designing the crypto is
: worth more than a bunch of know nothings scratching their heads and
: wondering where to begin with 1000+ pages of source code.

If the source were available, there would be no need to trust Schneier.
I trust his expertise, but have no basis (or inclination) to make guesses
about his character.  No matter how many people refer to Applied Crypto as
"a Bible", it's not the kind of book that encourages blind faith.

Doc

- -- 
[] Mark Rogaski                   "That which does not kill me
[] wendigo@pobox.com                 only makes me stranger."

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Mark Rogaski enscribed thusly:
> An entity claiming to be Anonymous wrote:
	:
	: - Some of message deleted
	:
> : > No source no security.
> : 
> : You don't trust Schneier?  You've seen the limitations of source code
> : release.  Experts like Schneier and his team designing the crypto is
> : worth more than a bunch of know nothings scratching their heads and
> : wondering where to begin with 1000+ pages of source code.

> If the source were available, there would be no need to trust Schneier.
> I trust his expertise, but have no basis (or inclination) to make guesses
> about his character.  No matter how many people refer to Applied Crypto as
> "a Bible", it's not the kind of book that encourages blind faith.

	Nooo...  Actually, at the moment, we are just trusting their word.
So far, we haven't heard a peep from Bruce.  Maybe Bruce is working with
them, and that's all well and good, but until such time that we hear so
from Bruce in a way that we can authenticate, we are not even up to the
point of trusting him as yet.  We are still at the point of trusting
whatever they are telling us.  And I agree...  No source, no security.
Windows only...  No way...

	Bruce?

> Doc
> 
> -- 
> [] Mark Rogaski                   "That which does not kill me
> [] wendigo@pobox.com                 only makes me stranger."

	Mike
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Michael H. Warfield wrote:
>         Nooo...  Actually, at the moment, we are just trusting their word.
> So far, we haven't heard a peep from Bruce.  Maybe Bruce is working with
> them, and that's all well and good, but until such time that we hear so
> from Bruce in a way that we can authenticate, we are not even up to the
> point of trusting him as yet.  We are still at the point of trusting
> whatever they are telling us. 

Help!!!
They are holding me hostage at syncrypt.com and using my name
to promote their product.

Please! Believe me! This is not just another unclever trick by
that forging rat bastard from sk.sympatico.ca.

Bruce

Bruce Schneier enscribed thusly:
> Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> >         Nooo...  Actually, at the moment, we are just trusting their word.
> > So far, we haven't heard a peep from Bruce.  Maybe Bruce is working with
> > them, and that's all well and good, but until such time that we hear so
> > from Bruce in a way that we can authenticate, we are not even up to the
> > point of trusting him as yet.  We are still at the point of trusting
> > whatever they are telling us. 

> Help!!!
> They are holding me hostage at syncrypt.com and using my name
> to promote their product.

	:-) :-) :-)

	Ok ok...  I was just making the point that they were claiming one
thing and we hadn't heard you chime in yet.  I yield.  :-)

> Please! Believe me! This is not just another unclever trick by
> that forging rat bastard from sk.sympatico.ca.

	Snicker...  I had "kinda" assumed (remember the spelling) that if
someone had been making baseless claims about your participation that you
would have been off da pad at warp one.  Just checking to make sure and
keep everyone honest (when was the LAST time I dropped out of lurk mode
on this list???).

> Bruce

	Mike
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Uhhh....

	Can anyone tell for sure what's up with Bruce...

	After getting this message and responding to it, I dropped a note
over to Bruce's centerpane address...

Bruce Schneier enscribed thusly:
> Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> >         Nooo...  Actually, at the moment, we are just trusting their word.
> > So far, we haven't heard a peep from Bruce.  Maybe Bruce is working with
> > them, and that's all well and good, but until such time that we hear so
> > from Bruce in a way that we can authenticate, we are not even up to the
> > point of trusting him as yet.  We are still at the point of trusting
> > whatever they are telling us. 

> Help!!!
> They are holding me hostage at syncrypt.com and using my name
> to promote their product.

> Please! Believe me! This is not just another unclever trick by
> that forging rat bastard from sk.sympatico.ca.

> Bruce

	When I forwarded my message to Bruce's address at centerpane
"just to be sure" here is what I got back...

> From schneier@mixer.visi.com  Tue Nov  4 23:46:24 1997
> Return-Path: <schneier@mixer.visi.com>
> Received: from mixer.visi.com (schneier@mixer.visi.com [204.73.178.1])
> 	by alcove.wittsend.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA05599
> 	for <mhw@alcove.wittsend.com>; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:46:05 -0500
> Received: (from schneier@localhost) by mixer.visi.com (8.8.6/8.7.5) id WAA05081 for mhw@alcove.wittsend.com; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:45:43 -0600 (CST)
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:45:43 -0600 (CST)
> Posted-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:45:43 -0600 (CST)
> Message-Id: <199711050445.WAA05081@mixer.visi.com>
> From: schneier@visi.com (via the vacation program)
> Subject: Schneier is missing; last seen headed for Beijing
> Status: RO
> 
> I will be away from my email until Saturday, 11/15. I won't be taking
> a computer with me, so I won't have any email access until I return.
> If you really need to get in touch with me, try leaving a voice 
> message at 612 823 1098.  And be patiend.
> 
> Information on Counterpane Systems consulting business, the 
> corrected 5th printing of Applied Cryptography 2nd Edition,
> my new book (The Electronic Privacy Papers), my S/MIME exploit,
> the PasswordSafe program, and a lot of other things can be found
> on my webiste:
> 
> 	http://www.counterpane.com/
> 
> Thanks,
> Bruce

	Ok...  If he didn't take a computer with him then he just gave
new meaning to sending a message from @dev.null...  Yeah right.  Got about
a week and a half till he's back, according to this...

	Is it Bruce or is it Memorex...  On the Internet...  Who can tell?

	Mike
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 Michael H. Warfield    |  (770) 985-6132   |  mhw@WittsEnd.com
  (The Mad Wizard)      |  (770) 925-8248   |  http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/
  NIC whois:  MHW9      |  An optimist believes we live in the best of all
 PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471    |  possible worlds.  A pessimist is sure of it!