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NODE 9f59dec5Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM.
I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office 
(1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing 
had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.

Other info:

Mail sent to Jim (not by me) since his request for books has 
been returned twice that I know about

Books sent to Kitsap County jail, where he was first incarcerated,
was returned marked "Not in Jail." 

After this an inquiry to the court was made about Jim's 
location (not by me) and it was learned that he had been
transferred to Federal Detention Center at SeaTac, WA.
A letter sent there recently was returned unopened, marked 
"Return to Writer."

The court docket today at 8:00PM does not list his relocation 
nor the new sentencing date. However, entries usually appear
a day or so after an action:

   http://jya.com/jimbell-dock3.htm

Perhaps one of our legal subscribers could comment on what's
going on with these repeated delays in sentencing, especially
whether it's common to do so after a plea agreement is reached.

Now, scuttlebutt: a person at a Seattle legal document service
told me today that another case is coming up similar to Jim's
that also alleges "intimidation of IRS officials." Whether that
relates to delays in Jim's case is a mystery inside an enigma.
NODE 20638f1eJim Bell's Sentencing?
At 8:16 PM -0700 11/21/97, John Young wrote:
>Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM.
>I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office
>(1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing
>had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.

And so today is December 12th.

Has anybody heard anything?

Or have the criminals who run the legal system delayed his sentencing yet
again?


--Tim May

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NODE 4ff1cb7bRe: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
At 8:16 PM -0700 11/21/97, John Young wrote:
>Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM.
>I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office
>(1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing
>had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.

Thanks, John.

Hey, if they keep delaying his sentence, they can give him a longer
sentence than the  supposed crimes warrant....

The fucking criminal system is fucking criminal. Amerika.

--Tim May


The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
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NODE ca860e17Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
Looks like Jim has been sentenced to 10 years without the right
to correspondence.

To those who do not understand the cultural connotations of this 
phrase, I will explain. During Stalin's purges around 1937, a lot of
people were arrested and nothing could be found out about them -- 
not even when they were held. Their relatives were later notified that
the prisoners were sentenced to 10 years without the right to
correspondence.

That was an euphemism for being executed.

I would not be surprized if Jim committed a "suicide". With the advance
of modern psychology and psychotropic drugs, that could even be a true
suicide, done without physical assistance of Jim's captors.

Or Jim might suddenly die of "heart attack".

In fact, I am willing to bet 40 cents against a dollar that Jim will
notg et out of jail alive.

igor

John Young wrote:
> 
> 
> Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM.
> I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office 
> (1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing 
> had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.
> 
> Other info:
> 
> Mail sent to Jim (not by me) since his request for books has 
> been returned twice that I know about
> 
> Books sent to Kitsap County jail, where he was first incarcerated,
> was returned marked "Not in Jail." 
> 
> After this an inquiry to the court was made about Jim's 
> location (not by me) and it was learned that he had been
> transferred to Federal Detention Center at SeaTac, WA.
> A letter sent there recently was returned unopened, marked 
> "Return to Writer."
> 
> The court docket today at 8:00PM does not list his relocation 
> nor the new sentencing date. However, entries usually appear
> a day or so after an action:
> 
>    http://jya.com/jimbell-dock3.htm
> 
> Perhaps one of our legal subscribers could comment on what's
> going on with these repeated delays in sentencing, especially
> whether it's common to do so after a plea agreement is reached.
> 
> Now, scuttlebutt: a person at a Seattle legal document service
> told me today that another case is coming up similar to Jim's
> that also alleges "intimidation of IRS officials." Whether that
> relates to delays in Jim's case is a mystery inside an enigma.
> 
> 



	- Igor.
NODE 700e9544Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
> Looks like Jim has been sentenced to 10 years without the right
> to correspondence.
> 
> To those who do not understand the cultural connotations of this
> phrase, I will explain. During Stalin's purges around 1937...

Fucking wonderful...
As Robert Heidegger explains to us that everything is 'roses, roses'
and that predictions of 'doom and gloom' are ludicrous, Igor begins
emerging as the Chief CypherPunks SpokesPerson, based on his knowledge
of the Stalin era and its accompanying atrocities.

I *love* this prison camp!

TruthMonger

> a lot of
> people were arrested and nothing could be found out about them --
> not even when they were held. Their relatives were later notified that
> the prisoners were sentenced to 10 years without the right to
> correspondence.
> 
> That was an euphemism for being executed.
> 
> I would not be surprized if Jim committed a "suicide". With the advance
> of modern psychology and psychotropic drugs, that could even be a true
> suicide, done without physical assistance of Jim's captors.
> 
> Or Jim might suddenly die of "heart attack".
> 
> In fact, I am willing to bet 40 cents against a dollar that Jim will
> notg et out of jail alive.
> 
> igor
> 
> John Young wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM.
> > I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office
> > (1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing
> > had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.
> >
> > Other info:
> >
> > Mail sent to Jim (not by me) since his request for books has
> > been returned twice that I know about
> >
> > Books sent to Kitsap County jail, where he was first incarcerated,
> > was returned marked "Not in Jail."
> >
> > After this an inquiry to the court was made about Jim's
> > location (not by me) and it was learned that he had been
> > transferred to Federal Detention Center at SeaTac, WA.
> > A letter sent there recently was returned unopened, marked
> > "Return to Writer."
> >
> > The court docket today at 8:00PM does not list his relocation
> > nor the new sentencing date. However, entries usually appear
> > a day or so after an action:
> >
> >    http://jya.com/jimbell-dock3.htm
> >
> > Perhaps one of our legal subscribers could comment on what's
> > going on with these repeated delays in sentencing, especially
> > whether it's common to do so after a plea agreement is reached.
> >
> > Now, scuttlebutt: a person at a Seattle legal document service
> > told me today that another case is coming up similar to Jim's
> > that also alleges "intimidation of IRS officials." Whether that
> > relates to delays in Jim's case is a mystery inside an enigma.
> >
> >
> 
>         - Igor.
NODE d8060116Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
so saith ichudov@algebra.com ...

> Looks like Jim has been sentenced to 10 years without the right
> to correspondence.
> 
> To those who do not understand the cultural connotations of this 
> phrase, I will explain. During Stalin's purges around 1937, a lot of
> people were arrested and nothing could be found out about them -- 
> not even when they were held. Their relatives were later notified that
> the prisoners were sentenced to 10 years without the right to
> correspondence.

the parallels between modern america and just about an other totalitarian 
regime to date are hitting frighteningly close to home. 

I remember when I was told about the horrors of the nazi and russian 
children turning their parents in for whatever the state considered to not 
be proper. now we have D.A.R.E. 

i doubt such things are mentioned in public schools anymore.

> 
> That was an euphemism for being executed.
> 
> I would not be surprized if Jim committed a "suicide". With the advance
> of modern psychology and psychotropic drugs, that could even be a true
> suicide, done without physical assistance of Jim's captors.

you mean he would be fosterized?


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NODE 28dfa895Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
amp@pobox.com wrote:
> the parallels between modern america and just about an other totalitarian 
> regime to date are hitting frighteningly close to home. 
> 
> I remember when I was told about the horrors of the nazi and russian 
> children turning their parents in for whatever the state considered to not 
> be proper. now we have D.A.R.E. 

You know, I have been thinking about it for a long time.

My conclusion was that the government was not truly totalitarian in the
strict sense of this world.

It is the people's minds that turn more and more to totalitarianism,
submissiveness, blind belief to what they are told, and so on.

	- Igor.
NODE f9945089Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
amp@pobox.com writes:
>
> so saith ichudov@algebra.com ...
>
> > Looks like Jim has been sentenced to 10 years without the right
> > to correspondence.
> >
> > To those who do not understand the cultural connotations of this
> > phrase, I will explain. During Stalin's purges around 1937, a lot of
> > people were arrested and nothing could be found out about them --
> > not even when they were held. Their relatives were later notified that
> > the prisoners were sentenced to 10 years without the right to
> > correspondence.
>
> the parallels between modern america and just about an other totalitarian
> regime to date are hitting frighteningly close to home.
>
> I remember when I was told about the horrors of the nazi and russian
> children turning their parents in for whatever the state considered to not
> be proper. now we have D.A.R.E.
>
> i doubt such things are mentioned in public schools anymore.

I mentioned in a private e-mail to Igor that the though of "10 years w/o
correspondence" occured to me too.  That what a great-grandfather of mine
got.  As for DARE, it reminds me of the great Soviet hero - Pavlik (Paul)
Morozov, a 13-year-old boy who grew up in a small village in the northern
Ural mountains. One day the Soviets decided to force all the peasants to
join a collective farm by confiscating their food and causing an artificial
famine[1]. Pavlik's father buried some grain hoping to feed hid family.
Pavlik squealed on his father, who was shot. Pavlik's grandfather later
killed Pavlik with an axe. The Soviets then shot the grandfather and
a bunch of other villagers, and made Pavlik a great hero worthy of
emulation by all Soviet children.

[1] Interesting enough, anyone in the U.S. who expressed the opinion in
the 1930's that there's a famine going on in Russia, or that the public
confessions made at the show trials might be questionable, was branded
a fascist by the new York Times crowd and was likely to lose his job.

---

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NODE ff729724Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
At 10:16 PM 11/21/97 -0500, John Young wrote:
>Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM.
>I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office 
>(1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing 
>had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.
>[...]
>Perhaps one of our legal subscribers could comment on what's
>going on with these repeated delays in sentencing, especially
>whether it's common to do so after a plea agreement is reached.

It strikes me as peculiar/unusual; perhaps there's a list subscriber with
more experience on the Federal criminal side to offer a different
perspective. The factor that strikes me as especially peculiar is that
there haven't been motions from either the defense or the prosecution in
support of these postponements; they've simply been entered as orders from
the court. (I haven't seen a docket entry for this latest postponement,
perhaps it's different.)

If the defense saw it as in their interests to delay sentencing, ordinarily
I'd expect to see a motion from the defense for each postponement, wherein
the defense would explain why they're not prepared to move forward.
Similarly, were the prosecution unprepared (perhaps the probation
department hasn't finished the presentence report), I'd expect to see a
motion to that effect .. and it'd be very unusual for either side to
succeed in gaining three postponements. Either side can probably expect one
as a matter of courtesy, perhaps a second if there's a really good reason
.. but three is unusual, especially without a motion & affidavit to explain
why.

I'm starting to favor the explanation which suggests that Jim will be
testifying at the trial(s) or before grand juries in other matters - and
that his sentencing is postponed to ensure his cooperation, and that the
defense isn't squealing about the successive postponements because that's
seen as more favorable than receiving a sentence of many, many months in
the event of noncooperation. I'm reluctant to finger anyone as a "snitch"
without knowing more - and this is all speculation - but something looks
funny about what's happening thus far. (It's also possible that he's
physically/mentally incapacitated such that he's not able to participate in
his sentencing, which would explain why the court would be postponing on
its own initiative, and why the defense isn't opposing the continuance.)

I guess I don't really see a good (or uncomplicated) reason for these
postponements - if Jim were out of custody, it wouldn't be surprising for
him to attempt to drag the out-of-custody presentence period on for some
time. But when a defendant is in custody, they're likely to get more
immediate/focused attention from their attorney, and courts are less likely
to enter a continuance. The prosecution doesn't need to do a lot of extra
work to prepare for sentencing, and the probation department has had a lot
of time to work up the presentence report.


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NODE 7d26701eRe: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
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At 10:23 PM 11/21/97 -0700, Tim May wrote:
>I now regret any "help" I provided him in adding crypto and digital cash
to
>his plans. (When I first came into contact with him, he had utterly zero
>knowledge of how crypto worked, and how it could ultimately be used. His
>"wonderful idea" was cheesy, built on nothing but hot air. But once
certain
>ideas were explained to him, his system became actually workable, albeit
>not actually extant.)
>
>I expect an arrest of several of us, on typically trumped-up RICO-type
>charges.  Mere speech has become criminalized, through vague, speculative,
>conspiracy charges.

I wonder if Jim remembers the e-mail I sent him requesting a complete
description of his AP scheme, and if "they" have me on a list of people to
be watched or something because of that.  I can't seem to find his reply,
though--I think I may have deleted it when I uninstalled an ancient mail
program about a year ago.
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NODE d2131966Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
At 11:03 PM -0700 11/21/97, Greg Broiles wrote:
>I'm starting to favor the explanation which suggests that Jim will be
>testifying at the trial(s) or before grand juries in other matters - and
>that his sentencing is postponed to ensure his cooperation, and that the
>defense isn't squealing about the successive postponements because that's
>seen as more favorable than receiving a sentence of many, many months in
>the event of noncooperation. I'm reluctant to finger anyone as a "snitch"

This is what I fear, too.

I now regret any "help" I provided him in adding crypto and digital cash to
his plans. (When I first came into contact with him, he had utterly zero
knowledge of how crypto worked, and how it could ultimately be used. His
"wonderful idea" was cheesy, built on nothing but hot air. But once certain
ideas were explained to him, his system became actually workable, albeit
not actually extant.)

I expect an arrest of several of us, on typically trumped-up RICO-type
charges.  Mere speech has become criminalized, through vague, speculative,
conspiracy charges.

Fuck them.  If it's war they want...

Lock and load,

--Tim May

The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
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ComSec 3DES:   408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Higher Power: 2^2,976,221   | black markets, collapse of governments.
"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
NODE bdc02b33Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
Tim May wrote:
> At 11:03 PM -0700 11/21/97, Greg Broiles wrote:
> >I'm starting to favor the explanation which suggests that Jim will be
> >testifying at the trial(s) or before grand juries in other matters - and
> >that his sentencing is postponed to ensure his cooperation, and that the
> >defense isn't squealing about the successive postponements because that's
> >seen as more favorable than receiving a sentence of many, many months in
> >the event of noncooperation. I'm reluctant to finger anyone as a "snitch"
> 
> This is what I fear, too.
> 
> I now regret any "help" I provided him in adding crypto and digital cash to
> his plans. (When I first came into contact with him, he had utterly zero
> knowledge of how crypto worked, and how it could ultimately be used. His
> "wonderful idea" was cheesy, built on nothing but hot air. But once certain
> ideas were explained to him, his system became actually workable, albeit
> not actually extant.)

I wish I provided Jim Bell with assistance. Jim Bell is cool.

Aside from all that, expecting a person NOT to break in the hands
of skilled mind-breakers is unreasonable.

90% of us would break. The worst thing to prisoners is hope.

	- Igor.
NODE 6253011dRe: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
At 9:49 AM -0700 11/22/97, Jonathan Wienke wrote:

>I wonder if Jim remembers the e-mail I sent him requesting a complete
>description of his AP scheme, and if "they" have me on a list of people to
>be watched or something because of that.  I can't seem to find his reply,
>though--I think I may have deleted it when I uninstalled an ancient mail
>program about a year ago.

Sounds like destruction of evidence to me....

Maybe if you turn state's evidence now, like Fortier did, you won't be
charged in the main "assassination politics" indictment. In fact, if you
can get list members to elaborate in more detail on how untraceable murder
markets work, with some stuff about digital cash thrown in, I expect you
might even get _paid_ as an informant.

The several-times delayed sentencing, with no protests from Bell's
court-appointed lawyer, tells me the Feds are trying to get some final
details lined up.

And they wonder why some people are holding their own trials of these
criminals?


--Tim May

The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography
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"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
NODE 54752424Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
John Young wrote:

> Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM.
> I called the court's ever-helpful administrative office 
> (1-253-593-6754) for a report and was told that sentencing 
> had been postponed until December 12, 10:30AM.

[snip]

> After this an inquiry to the court was made about Jim's 
> location (not by me) and it was learned that he had been
> transferred to Federal Detention Center at SeaTac, WA.
> A letter sent there recently was returned unopened, marked 
> "Return to Writer."

I would think that with all the recent publicity about the IRS abusing
citizens, limited only by the agency's creativity and its ability to
select citizen-units preceived as unable to fight back, that we should be
able to spin the Jim Bell case in a way which further damages the public
image of the IRS.

After all, the IRS is hardly the agency charged with discovering alleged
plots to overthrow the government, and the fabrication of such a plot in
order to harrass and imprison a tax protester would seem to constitute
antics similar to those disclosed in recent Congressional hearings. 

Of course, it would be difficult to wash away all the FUD the government
has disseminated about the Bell case by now.  Still, I think sloshing the
IRS with a bit of the excrement they have been dispensing to the press
might not be a bad move.  Perhaps a noisy statement about the Bell case at
one of those public meetings the IRS has been commanded to hold to discuss
its past abuses might be a good place to start.

--
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
NODE 93fc1c82Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
> Of course, it would be difficult to wash away all the FUD the government
> has disseminated about the Bell case by now.  Still, I think sloshing the
> IRS with a bit of the excrement they have been dispensing to the press
> might not be a bad move.  Perhaps a noisy statement about the Bell case at
> one of those public meetings the IRS has been commanded to hold to discuss
> its past abuses might be a good place to start.

Not so difficult.  Remember that Bell stink-bombed those offices
allegedly.  This could easily be seen as a teenage-mentality prank.
Play that part up, and the ludicrousness of everything else he was
"schemeing", and it makes the IRS look very very bad.  They are pushing
the bad ass terrorist view of him.  We need to push the "he was a
misguided kid" or "this was all fantasy" bit.  Hell everyone whose ever
dealt with the IRS can sympathise with his desire to stink bomb them.

The big bad thing is that they haven't yet sentenced him.  If they do,
it'll be very bad for him, however, it will be that much worse for the
IRS (perhaps another reason for the delays, or it could be they need to
break him so he confesses terrorist plots first...) it can generate "IRS
throws Bevis like kid in Jail for Stink Bombing" headlines.  (Sure, he's
no kid, but make him look like one.)

Perhaps a timeline article of all of the IRS's abuses with this one as the
final point would add to the fuel...

How do we further force them into that position?


> "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
Love is the law,
Love under will. (Taxed by the IRS at 30% of course.) 


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NODE a132814bRe: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
On 22 Nov 1997 00:54:42 -0600, Eric Cordian <emc@wire.insync.net> wrote:

>Of course, it would be difficult to wash away all the FUD the government
>has disseminated about the Bell case by now.  Still, I think sloshing the
>IRS with a bit of the excrement they have been dispensing to the press
>might not be a bad move.  Perhaps a noisy statement about the Bell case at
>one of those public meetings the IRS has been commanded to hold to discuss
>its past abuses might be a good place to start.

Radio talk shows may be a better place to start.

-- Phelix
NODE 93b461d5Jim Bell's New Lifestyle
Coercive Counterintelligence Interrogation of Resistant Sources

A. Restrictions 
The purpose of this part of the handbook is to present basic information
about coercive techniques available for use in the interrogation
situation. 

B. The Theory of Coercion
Coercive procedures are designed not only to exploit the resistant
source's internal conflicts and induce him to wrestle with himself but
also to bring a superior outside force to bear upon the subject's
resistance. 
All coercive techniques are designed to induce regression. As Hinkle
notes in "The Physiological State of the Interrogation Subject as it
Affects Brain Function"(7), the result of external pressures of
sufficient intensity is the loss of those defenses most recently
acquired by civilized man: "...
Farber says that the response to coercion typically contains "... at
least three important elements: debility, dependency, and dread."
Prisoners "... have reduced viability, are helplessly dependent on their
captors for the satisfaction of their many basic needs, and experience
the emotional and motivational reactions of intense fear and anxiety.... 

Only subjects who have reached a point where they are under delusions
are likely to make false confessions that they believe. 
The profound moral objection to applying duress past the point of
irreversible psychological damage has been stated. Judging the validity
of other ethical arguments about coercion exceeds the scope of this
paper. 

The following are the principal coercive techniques of interrogation:
arrest, detention, deprivation of sensory stimuli through solitary
confinement or similar methods, threats and fear, debility, pain,
heightened suggestibility and hypnosis, narcosis, and induced
regression. 

C. Arrest 
The manner and timing of arrest can contribute substantially to the
interrogator's purposes. 

D. Detention 
If, through the cooperation of a liaison service or by unilateral means,
arrangements have been made for the confinement of a resistant source,
the circumstances of detention are arranged to enhance within the
subject his feelings of being cut off from the known and the reassuring,
and of being plunged into the strange. 

E. Deprivation of Sensory Stimuli 
John C. Lilly found "... that isolation per se acts on most persons as a
powerful stress...." 
"The symptoms most commonly produced by isolation are superstition,
intense love of any other living thing, perceiving inanimate objects as
alive, hallucinations, and delusions." 
"It is obvious that inner factors in the mind tend to be projected
outward, that some of the mind's activity which is usually reality-bound
now becomes free to turn to phantasy and ultimately to hallucination and
delusion."

F. Threats and Fear 
The threat of coercion usually weakens or destroys resistance more
effectively than coercion itself.
The same principle holds for other fears: sustained long enough, a
strong fear of anything vague or unknown induces regression.
Threats delivered coldly are more effective than those shouted in rage.

It is not enough that a resistant source should placed under the tension
of fear; he must also discern an acceptable escape route. 
In brief, the threat is like all other coercive techniques in being most
effective when so used as to foster regression and when joined with a
suggested way out of the dilemma, a rationalization acceptable to the
interrogatee.

G. Debility 
The available evidence suggests that resistance is sapped principally by
psychological rather than physical pressures. The threat of debility -
for example, a brief deprivation of food - may induce much more anxiety
than prolonged hunger.

H. Pain
"In the simple torture situation the contest is one between the
individual and his tormentor (.... and he can frequently endure). When
the individual is told to stand at attention for long periods, an
intervening factor is introduced. The immediate source of pain is not
the interrogator but the victim himself. The motivational strength of
the individual is likely to exhaust itself in this internal
encounter.... 

I. Heightened Suggestibility and Hypnosis 
Merton M. Gill and Margaret Brenman state, "The psychoanalytic theory of
hypnosis clearly implies, where it does not explicitly state, that
hypnosis is a form of regression." And they add, "...induction [of
hypnosis] is the process of bringing about a regression, while the
hypnotic state is the established regression." 
The problem of overcoming the resistance of an uncooperative
interrogatee is essentially a problem of inducing regression to a level
at which the resistance can no longer be sustained. Hypnosis is one way
of regressing people.

J. Narcosis 
Just as the threat of pain may more effectively induce compliance than
its infliction, so an interrogatee's mistaken belief that he has been
drugged may make him a more useful interrogation subject than he would
be under narcosis. 
Nevertheless, drugs can be effective in overcoming resistance not
dissolved by other techniques. As has already been noted, the so-called
silent drug (a pharmacologically potent substance given to a person
unaware of its administration) can make possible the induction of
hypnotic trance in a previously unwilling subject.

K. The Detection of Malingering 
Another technique is to pretend to take the deception seriously, express
grave concern, and tell the "patient" that the only remedy for his
illness is a series of electric shock treatments or a frontal lobotomy.