Re: Moderated vs. Unmoderated Lists

The issue is not moderation.  It is whether this list has a focus, a
central set of ideas, a reason for existence.  If we're just going to
talk about whatever anyone finds interesting, there is nothing to stop
the list from drifting away from its goals.

In fact, that is exactly what has happened.  Tim May's violent rhetoric
has attracted others who believe in violence.  Vulis's racist and sexist
comments have brought other members who are comfortable expressing
negative comments about other races and nationalities.  There is little
discussion about cryptography any more.

Tim May:

>This has crypto anarchy relevance in that strong crypto will undermine the
>ability of the U.S. government to fight foreign wars and engange in foreign
>entanglements. How this will happen should be obvious.

What difference does it make whether it has crypto anarchy relevance?
No one cares about that any more.  The only thing that matters today
is whether it includes crypto racism, or crypto terrorism, or crypto
white supremacy.

> Yes, I talk about what interests me. A single essay I _write_ represents my
> views. I avoid cc:ing the list with forwarded stuff from Yahoo, as some are
> wont to do.
>
> Thus, I feel no guilt about writing some essay or article on something of
> interest to me.

Writing off-topic essays isn't the problem.  Posting them here is.  Why
don't you use alt.fan.oj-simpson for your racist rants like you used to?

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In <199711270525.GAA01200@basement.replay.com>, on 11/27/97 
   at 12:25 AM, Anonymous <nobody@REPLAY.COM> said:

>The issue is not moderation.  It is whether this list has a focus, a
>central set of ideas, a reason for existence.  If we're just going to
>talk about whatever anyone finds interesting, there is nothing to stop
>the list from drifting away from its goals.

>In fact, that is exactly what has happened.  Tim May's violent rhetoric
>has attracted others who believe in violence.  Vulis's racist and sexist
>comments have brought other members who are comfortable expressing
>negative comments about other races and nationalities.  There is little
>discussion about cryptography any more.

Well you are always free to take your CENSOROUS ASS and create your own
list. Then you and your friends can hold hands and only think Pure
Thoughts(TM).

Make no mistake here Mr Anonymous is a CENSOR!! He wishes to be able to
SILENCE anyone who says anything that does not fit his obPoliticalyCorret
views of the world.

Dec 7th is comming up, Lets Nuke Japan Again just for the hell of it!!!

Lets see how many more of these wantabe nazi I can flush out with that one
:)

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Anonymous wrote:
> 
> The issue is not moderation.  It is whether this list has a focus, a
> central set of ideas, a reason for existence.  If we're just going to
> talk about whatever anyone finds interesting, there is nothing to stop
> the list from drifting away from its goals.

  Or from moving toward its ghouls!

> There is little discussion about cryptography any more.

  OK, which one of you is the wise-guy who told Anonymous that he or
she can't send posts about cryptography to the list?

  Anonymous (if that is your *real* name...), many of us on the list
have been anxiously awaiting a Savior to arrive on the list and begin
discussing cryptography.
  We were hoping maybe it was you, but it looks like we were wrong
again.

StillWaitingMonger

Anonymous <nobody@REPLAY.COM> writes:

> h                                              Vulis's racist and sexist
> comments have brought other members who are comfortable expressing
> negative comments about other races and nationalities.

I'm glad to hear that my words have caused others to reject self-censorship.

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