If you fought to defend your country...

...you fit the 'profile' of the OKC bomber.

Be afraid...be very afraid.

TruthMonger

At 3:33 PM -0700 11/29/97, TruthMonger wrote:
>...you fit the 'profile' of the OKC bomber.
>
>Be afraid...be very afraid.

Or tell them to fuck off.

I was stopped by the storm troopers on the Stanford University campus for
this reason--"you fit the profile"--and asked to let them inspect my
briefcase and jacket pockets. I stood my ground and said "No."

Of course, Stanford being private property, they escorted me off the campus.

(However, it was Stanford Sheriffs, representing the (alleged) city of
Stanford, CA, who did the stop-and-escort-off routine, so one wonders about
the lines being blurred between private and governmental functions.)

As computers proliferate, "fitting the profile" is becoming the de facto
way to stop any suspicious persons, or others they want to harass.

--Tim May

The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
ComSec 3DES:   408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Higher Power: 2^2,976,221   | black markets, collapse of governments.
"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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At 09:03 AM 11/30/97 +0000, attila wrote:
>    To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches....

Yeah, but 18 inches gives a much tighter shot pattern...

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Jonathan Wienke

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"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
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feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget
that ye were our countrymen."
-- Samuel Adams

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fulfill their potential."
-- Jonathan Wienke

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on or about 971130:1554, in <3.0.3.32.19971130155457.006c6c5c@popd.netcruiser>, 
    Jonathan Wienke <JonWienk@ix.netcom.com> was purported to have 
    expostulated to perpetuate an opinion:

>At 09:03 AM 11/30/97 +0000, attila wrote:
>>    To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches....

>Yeah, but 18 inches gives a much tighter shot pattern...

    uuuhhh.  12" is not the length of a riot gun barrel...
             it's your swinging length.

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Jonathan Wienke <JonWienk@ix.netcom.com> writes:

> At 09:03 AM 11/30/97 +0000, attila wrote:
> >    To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches....
>
> Yeah, but 18 inches gives a much tighter shot pattern...

Only 2 inches are required to reach the prostate.  Anything over that
is just windows dressing.

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Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

Vulis said:
> Only 2 inches are required to reach the prostate.  Anything over that
> is just windows dressing.

	Sounds like the voice of experience to me.

"snow" <snow@smoke.suba.com> writes:

>
> Vulis said:
> > Only 2 inches are required to reach the prostate.  Anything over that
> > is just windows dressing.
>
> 	Sounds like the voice of experience to me.

That's right - I habitually fuck Chris Lewis in the ass with a dildo.

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

> "snow" <snow@smoke.suba.com> writes:
> > Vulis said:
> > > Only 2 inches are required to reach the prostate.  Anything over that
> > > is just windows dressing.
> > 	Sounds like the voice of experience to me.
> That's right - I habitually fuck Chris Lewis in the ass with a dildo.

	Why, your's not long enough to reach the prostate?

"snow" <snow@smoke.suba.com> writes:

> > "snow" <snow@smoke.suba.com> writes:
> > > Vulis said:
> > > > Only 2 inches are required to reach the prostate.  Anything over that
> > > > is just windows dressing.
> > > 	Sounds like the voice of experience to me.
> > That's right - I habitually fuck Chris Lewis in the ass with a dildo.
>
> 	Why, your's not long enough to reach the prostate?
            ^ [sp]
I don't want physical contact with pedophile forgers.

---

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Jonathan Wienke wrote:
> 
> Yeah, but 18 inches gives a much tighter shot pattern...
Not by much. [I prefer the 14'' HK "Entry" model].

-- Lucky Green <shamrock@cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred.
   "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

At 04:15 AM 12/1/97 +0100, Lucky Green wrote:
>
>On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Jonathan Wienke wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, but 18 inches gives a much tighter shot pattern...
>Not by much. [I prefer the 14'' HK "Entry" model].

I always have prefered the 1 oz copper slugs.  Shot dispersal is tighter if
you have only one shot.

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Alan Olsen wrote:
> At 04:15 AM 12/1/97 +0100, Lucky Green wrote:
> >On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Jonathan Wienke wrote:
> >> Yeah, but 18 inches gives a much tighter shot pattern...
> >Not by much. [I prefer the 14'' HK "Entry" model].
> 
> I always have prefered the 1 oz copper slugs.  Shot dispersal is tighter if
> you have only one shot.

does any one of you have a .50 BMG.

	- Igor.

On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Tim May wrote:

> At 3:33 PM -0700 11/29/97, TruthMonger wrote:
> >...you fit the 'profile' of the OKC bomber.
> >
> >Be afraid...be very afraid.
> 
   hell, I didnt go to defend me country; Arlo wrote that song dancing
   with the shrink --but I went to kill my share.

> Or tell them to fuck off.
> 
> I was stopped by the storm troopers on the Stanford University campus for
> this reason--"you fit the profile"--and asked to let them inspect my
> briefcase and jacket pockets. I stood my ground and said "No."
> 
    well, that's good so far. of course, you are ornery enough to stick up
    for your rights --what few we have that have not been fucked over
    totally by Bubba who sees no reason for privacy since only crooks have
    reason not to be transparent.

> Of course, Stanford being private property, they escorted me off the campus.
> 
    aint much that is important enough to put up with those attitudes.
    we are what we are --start bending over to polish the apple and you'll
    be just like them.

> (However, it was Stanford Sheriffs, representing the (alleged) city of
> Stanford, CA, who did the stop-and-escort-off routine, so one wonders about
> the lines being blurred between private and governmental functions.)
> 
    Stanford was in Palo Alto the last time I looked... is the "City of
    Stanford" a new chartered entity inside Palo Alto? to permit "real"
    law enforcement, not just hired guns?


> As computers proliferate, "fitting the profile" is becoming the de facto
> way to stop any suspicious persons, or others they want to harass.
> 
    yup. either look like the average joe couch potato or expect to be 
    profiled out for special treatment.  anyone with the fire still
    burning in their eyes is obviously some sort of maniac with a 
    problem.  "yes, officer, I just happen to normally carry a gallon
    of naplam in my briefcase... it's my lunch down at the circus."

    maybe Chelsea has them all nervous. 

> --Tim May
> 
> The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography
>
   no, Tim, F{reeh,uck} wants a biochip to go along with the highway
   sensors for your car.

	attila out  ...again.

__________________________________________________________________________
    go not unto usenet for advice, for the inhabitants thereof will say:
      yes, and no, and maybe, and I don't know, and fuck-off.
_________________________________________________________________ attila__

    To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches....
    There is no safety this side of the grave.  Never was; never will be.

attila writes:
> On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Tim May wrote:
> > 
> > I was stopped by the storm troopers on the Stanford University campus for
> > this reason--"you fit the profile"--and asked to let them inspect my
> > briefcase and jacket pockets. I stood my ground and said "No."

[..] 

> > Of course, Stanford being private property, they escorted me off the campus.

[..]

> > (However, it was Stanford Sheriffs, representing the (alleged) city of
> > Stanford, CA, who did the stop-and-escort-off routine, so one wonders about
> > the lines being blurred between private and governmental functions.)
> > 
>     Stanford was in Palo Alto the last time I looked... is the "City of
>     Stanford" a new chartered entity inside Palo Alto? to permit "real"
>     law enforcement, not just hired guns?

Stanford used to be a real town.  Palo Alto annexed a number of
surrounding smaller towns in the 50s.  The town of Mayfield is one; it
consisted of the area just south and east of Stanford, where California
street is now.

Of course if you follow private property rights to their full extent,
its within Stanford's rights to escort Tim off the premises for whatever
reason they want, including simply not liking the way he looks ("fitting
the profile").  However Stanford isn't a purely private institution since
they take government money for research contracts and the like.


>     maybe Chelsea has them all nervous. 

Sure.  And having something bad happen to her while at Stanford will
get the university pilloried in the press; while harassing a few
people who "fit the profile" will probably get them kudos or at
the worst some rants in non-mainstream press.  It's not the fault of
Stanford's rulers-- they're just responding to what we as a soceity
tell them that we want: safety over freedom.



-- 
Eric Murray  Chief Security Scientist  N*Able Technologies  www.nabletech.com
(email:  ericm  at  lne.com   or   nabletech.com)          PGP keyid:E03F65E5

>>     Stanford was in Palo Alto the last time I looked... is the "City of
>>     Stanford" a new chartered entity inside Palo Alto? to permit "real"
>>     law enforcement, not just hired guns?

At 02:08 PM 11/30/1997 -0800, Eric Murray wrote:
>Stanford used to be a real town.  Palo Alto annexed a number of
>surrounding smaller towns in the 50s.  The town of Mayfield is one; it
>consisted of the area just south and east of Stanford, where California
>street is now.

I'd been under the impression that Palo Alto didn't _want_ to have
the campus within its boundaries - too much risk of students voting
in city elections while living in the dorms.
				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, stewarts@ix.netcom.com
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