AT&T Research "Crowds" -- Perl web anonymity proxy -- needs users

It has a screwy "non-commercial use only, AT&T gets everything, you
get nothing" license, but otherwise it looks interesting.

	John

From: Avi Rubin <rubin@research.att.com>

John,

You may remember that at Crypto, I described the Crowds system to you.
The system is now robust and up and running, and we have ported it to
windows and unix platforms, so just about anyone should be able to use
it. In fact, if there is such a thing as Perl for macintosh, I'm sure
it would work on that platform too.

We are very interested in getting more users of our system. As it is
intended to provide privacy to web users, I thought that perhaps it is
something that you and EFF would be interested in. Do you think you
could put a link to the Crowds page on the EFF web site?  Anything
else you can do to help increase the usage would be great, because our
system has the property that the more poeple use it, the more secure
it is. Let me know if you have any questions.

The Crowds page is:  http://www.research.att.com/projects/crowds

Thanks,
Avi

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On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, John Gilmore wrote:

> It has a screwy "non-commercial use only, AT&T gets everything, you
> get nothing" license, but otherwise it looks interesting.

Someone forgot to make it available outside the US, please someone drop it
at replay or some other well-equipped crypto site.

Jyri Kaljundi
jk@stallion.ee
AS Stallion Ltd
http://www.stallion.ee/

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Jyri Kaljundi wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, John Gilmore wrote:
> 
> > It has a screwy "non-commercial use only, AT&T gets everything, you
> > get nothing" license, but otherwise it looks interesting.
> 
> Someone forgot to make it available outside the US, please someone drop it
> at replay or some other well-equipped crypto site.

That is unlikely to  happen. The copies are  personalized.

-- Lucky Green <shamrock@cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred.
   "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Lucky Green wrote:

> That is unlikely to  happen. The copies are  personalized.

In what way?  If two people get copies of it and then diff them, the
personalizations are obvious.

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On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Ray Arachelian wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Lucky Green wrote:
> 
> > That is unlikely to  happen. The copies are  personalized.
> 
> In what way?  If two people get copies of it and then diff them, the
> personalizations are obvious.

Yes, indeed the personalizations are obvious. Even with just one copy. As
in "user ID" and "password", both of which are required to join the AT&T
crowd. Which happens to be the only crowd that it currently even makes
semi sense to join.

-- Lucky Green <shamrock@cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred.
   "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Lucky Green wrote:

> > > That is unlikely to  happen. The copies are  personalized.
> > 
> > In what way?  If two people get copies of it and then diff them, the
> > personalizations are obvious.
> 
> Yes, indeed the personalizations are obvious. Even with just one copy. As
> in "user ID" and "password", both of which are required to join the AT&T
> crowd. Which happens to be the only crowd that it currently even makes
> semi sense to join.

Now that Crowds 1.1 is released, I had another look and it seems it is
easy to set up your own crowds. So it should be uploaded to replay and
other crypto sites.

Jyri Kaljundi
jk@stallion.ee
AS Stallion Ltd
http://www.stallion.ee/