Re: Remailer Trivia / Re: Singapore & Freedom (fwd)

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> Date: 8 Dec 1997 17:40:04 -0000
> From: Charlie Comsec <comsec@nym.alias.net>
> Subject: Re: Remailer Trivia / Re: Singapore & Freedom 

> I find it interesting that most of the people who refer to anonymous
> posters as "hiding behind" or "hiding behind the skirts of" something
> usually have unlisted telephone numbers when you try to do a search
> for them. <g>  I wonder why "hiding behind" an unlisted telephone number
> is considered acceptable but having an "unlisted" e-mail address is not
> considered acceptable?

> BTW, do you "hide behind" clothes when you walk on the street?  If so, why?
> Got something to hide?  Huh?  COWARD!!!! <g>

Public anonymity and having an unlisted phone number are not even the same
thing. An unlisted phone number is to reduce public exposure, anonymity is
to enhance public exposure and secure plausible deniability. To have an
analogous situation you would need to use a *listed* phone number registered
to anonymous in such a way that ANI displayed the number but any directory
search resulted in anonymous w/ no address or other tracing info even for
the phone company. To the best of my knowledge no phone company anywhere
will allow a customer to purchase service without identifying themselves to
the phone company. Please let me know if there is such a beast somewhere.

Generaly people wear clothes because it is convenient and required by social
mores and legal statute.

Put your money where you mouth is, send your bank acct. no. & PIN to the
list....come on, you can trust US.


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At 3:43 PM +0000 12/9/1997, jonathon wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Jim Choate wrote:
>
>> analogous situation you would need to use a *listed* phone number registered
>> to anonymous in such a way that ANI displayed the number but any directory
>> search resulted in anonymous w/ no address or other tracing info even for
>> the phone company. To the best of my knowledge no phone company anywhere

Third party, anonymous, telephone services are available.  One in Las Vegas (at least it used to be) is Private Lines, which is an anonyous re-dialer using 900 number billing for payment.

--Steve

Jim Choate writes:

>                    To the best of my knowledge no phone company anywhere
> will allow a customer to purchase service without identifying themselves to
> the phone company. Please let me know if there is such a beast somewhere.

Go to your nearest convenience store.  It's got something called a
pay phone.  Just cough up a quarter, no ID required.

With both Nynex and Bell Atlantic, I've gotten phone service under a
nym.  No SSN, no credit references, no problem.

Just don't call yourself Bill Clinton.

Fred


Jeff Barber wrote:
| Jim Choate writes:
| 
| >                    To the best of my knowledge no phone company anywhere
| > will allow a customer to purchase service without identifying themselves to
| > the phone company. Please let me know if there is such a beast somewhere.
| 
| Go to your nearest convenience store.  It's got something called a
| pay phone.  Just cough up a quarter, no ID required.
| 


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On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Jim Choate wrote:

> analogous situation you would need to use a *listed* phone number registered
> to anonymous in such a way that ANI displayed the number but any directory
> search resulted in anonymous w/ no address or other tracing info even for
> the phone company. To the best of my knowledge no phone company anywhere

	Usually known as "Secure Phone Service."   << Which is also the
	name of one or two other services that local telco's offer. >>

	Where the phone company has an address to send the bill to, but
	has no idea where the phone is physically located.  

	Most of the secure phones I'm aware of have unlisted numbers.
	But that isn't a requirement.   

	The specific name of this service does change according to who
	is providing the phone service.  My guess is that less than 1%
	of the sales reps at the telco that has installed the most of
	them, has no idea what that service involves --- and will deny 
	that such a service is even offered by them.