NODE e5c063f7Security of Encrypted Magic Folders
"Alex Woolfson" <abdiel@worldnet.att.net>Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:25:44 +0800
Hello, all! Back reading the list after a long hiatus. Glad it's still as
good as ever. Anyway, thought I'd appeal to the collective brain trust as
this question is over my head. Please "cc" me directly since I'm on the
filtered cypherpunk list.
I just downloaded Encrypted Magic Folders--a program that hides Windows 95
folders and then encrypts them to prevent a disk utility from revealing
their content. In their help file, they try to answer the question "How
Secure is it?"--and, of course, they say *very*, but I can't tell if this is
so or if they're just blowing smoke. Particularly, their claim that key
size doesn't matter. (My mom taught me size always matters... ) If
someone with a stronger cryptography background than me could take a look at
this and let me know, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!
Alex
* How Secure is it?
EMF's encryption offers good protection and excellent speed. It
hasn't been broken yet. It is, as far as we know, exportable. THERE
IS NO BACKDOOR. Should you forget your password there is nothing we
can do to decrypt your encrypted files.
Quite a few people ask us how big EMF's key size is. They've learned
from other encryption programs that the bigger the key the stronger
the encryption. This really doesn't apply to EMF.
We developed our own encryption instead of using a standard because
we wanted EMF to be able to decrypt at the byte level. In this way
we only need to decrypt/encrypt the data your programs require and
not the entire file.
In theory, because we decrypt at the byte level, the biggest key we
could use would be 8 bits - which is a joke. So instead of
decrypting every hunk of data using the same key, as most other
encryption programs do, we developed an algorithm to vary the key
based on the data's location within the file. In this way we get
both high security and high speed. We are trying to patent EMF's
encryption method.
Having said all that, truth is, most encryption isn't "cracked" by
breaking the algorithm, it's done by guessing the password. Brute
guessing of passwords tends to level the playing field tremendously.
We actually have an advantage because we aren't an established
standard. Because we're small and relatively obscure chances are no
one will take the effort to write a password guessing program (which
incidentally would violate copyright and intellectual property laws.)
Even if someone were to go thru all this effort we could easily
change the encryption method for the next update.
If we used an established encryption method like DES or Blowfish then
your files would probably have to be fully decrypted when opened,
would exist on disk as unencrypted while you're using them, and then
would need to be encrypted when closed. This has multiple
disadvantages. First, if your computer shuts down while you have
"encrypted" files open, then those files would be unencrypted. This
doesn't happen with EMF as your encrypted files are always encrypted
as stored on disk. The second disadvantage is that it slows things
down tremendously. As an example, let's say you retrieve your email
and your email program needs to add today's message to the end of
your 3MB email file. If we used a standard encryption method
requiring the decryption of the file before use then the entire 3 MB
file would have to be decrypted, your 300 byte message added to the
end and then the entire file encrypted again. With EMF, no
decryption would need to take place, and the only data needing
encryption would be the 300 byte message. MUCH faster. Around
20,000 times faster in this example!
If you still think you'd like to see us use a standard encryption
method like DES or Blowfish, or have any other suggestions, let us
know and we will consider your input in future updates
NODE b9d516f4Re: Security of Encrypted Magic Folders
Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com>Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:14:16 +0800
On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Alex Woolfson wrote:
> EMF's encryption offers good protection and excellent speed. It
> hasn't been broken yet. It is, as far as we know, exportable. THERE
> IS NO BACKDOOR. Should you forget your password there is nothing we
> can do to decrypt your encrypted files.
If it is exportable, then it is weak encryption by definition. The
question is how weak. Reading their marketting crap provides more
insights in just how lame this is:
> Quite a few people ask us how big EMF's key size is. They've learned
> from other encryption programs that the bigger the key the stronger
> the encryption. This really doesn't apply to EMF.
>
> We developed our own encryption instead of using a standard because
> we wanted EMF to be able to decrypt at the byte level. In this way
> we only need to decrypt/encrypt the data your programs require and
> not the entire file.
In other words: security through obscurity. Smells like snake oil, looks
like snake oil, it even has bits of snake scales in it. Heck, if they say
that the key size is not important, it's likely very tiny, or regardless
of what key size you'd use (if you had any choice), it's such a weak
cypher that it wouldn't get you anything.
> In theory, because we decrypt at the byte level, the biggest key we
> could use would be 8 bits - which is a joke. So instead of
> decrypting every hunk of data using the same key, as most other
> encryption programs do, we developed an algorithm to vary the key
> based on the data's location within the file. In this way we get
> both high security and high speed. We are trying to patent EMF's
> encryption method.
Whoop. so the key is the location of the data? At most, this means a 32
bit key on most file systems, 64 bits on newer file systems. This assumes
that your file is long enough for that. But as a key, this is totally
useless as the key is the location which is visible to all. Likely they
would be wise to "mix" this location key with the passphrase.
This offers little more than CBC would. The only difference is that CBC
is based on the previous block, where this is based on the location of a
byte in the file (which is known) whereas a CBC depedns on knowledge of
the previous block.
If they did it the right way, they'd use the passphrase to build a lookup
table of large keys based on the byte location within a file, but because
this depends on your passphrase, your security is still that of the
passphrase at maximum. There may be ways to weaken this.
> Having said all that, truth is, most encryption isn't "cracked" by
> breaking the algorithm, it's done by guessing the password. Brute
> guessing of passwords tends to level the playing field tremendously.
> We actually have an advantage because we aren't an established
> standard. Because we're small and relatively obscure chances are no
> one will take the effort to write a password guessing program (which
> incidentally would violate copyright and intellectual property laws.)
> Even if someone were to go thru all this effort we could easily
> change the encryption method for the next update.
This is total bullshit. It's Grade A, government approved exportable
snake oil. Just because they are small and obscure it doesn't guarantee
you any extra safety.
Just because nobody has bothered to write a brute forcer for their code
doens't mean nobody can do so. And no, this would not violate any of
their copyright if the author of the brute forcer proggie wrote it without
copying their code. It might violate intellectual property laws if they
had a patent on it, but they can't get one since they're going by
security through obscurity. They claim to be applying for a patent, but
if they do, their code is published and their weaknesses will be
displayed.
It might violate trade secret laws if someone who has the source or the
algorithm shares it, but not if someone reverse engineers it (depending on
reverse engineering laws of course.)
Just because they could "rewrite" the code in the next update against
cracking or brute force attacks does not buy you security. FYI: If you
use this crap and someone steals a copy of the encrypted files off your
hard drive, it doesn't matter what new updates this company produces. The
fact is you used the older breakable version, the attacker has your
cyphertext and will decode it.
> If we used an established encryption method like DES or Blowfish then
> your files would probably have to be fully decrypted when opened,
> would exist on disk as unencrypted while you're using them, and then
> would need to be encrypted when closed.
Translation: We don't use CBC, because that would be more work and slow
down our crappy cypher. Deeper translation: break any portion of any
encrypted file and you'll likely break the whole thing if not huge parts
of it.
"Established encryption methods (sic)" use CBC because it adds security.
Their algorithms are well published and well known so people can find
their weaknesses and publicise them. Whatever weaknesses there are in
this thing are hidden from those who can't or won't reverse engineer it.
But there are plenty of those who can and will, and have no qualms about
releasing it anonymously, or worse: keeping the expolit to themselves so
as to exploit those stupid enough to use this lame shit.
It only takes one cracker with a good disassembler to reverse engineer
their code and find all the holes, and they'll be out of business. If
what protects your data is the cypher, and not the key, then breaking the
cypher is all you need to do.
Heck, I'd bet they use something really shitty like this: (since "key size
is not important", and "depends on location".)
char code(char *passphrase, char data, long location);
{
int i; char c;
for (i=0; passphrase[i]>0; c^=passphrase[i++]);
return (data ^ c ^ (char)(location & 0xff));
}
Gee, I probably violated their "intellectual" property by guessing their
code, heh.
> This has multiple
> disadvantages. First, if your computer shuts down while you have
> "encrypted" files open, then those files would be unencrypted. This
> doesn't happen with EMF as your encrypted files are always encrypted
> as stored on disk. The second disadvantage is that it slows things
> down tremendously.
Not if you use an encrypted disk driver. then, all your data is encrypted
all the time. (You get into other issues such as keeping the passphrase
or key from falling into the pagefiles, etc...)
[Meaningless babble deleted.]
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