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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone else heard a "giant sucking sound" from the vicinity of the White House lately? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQA/AwUBNMjG3sJF0kXqpw3MEQKBFACfZitukIJPLnErjBCslImDtaJ7ITwAn3cJ 52LjcqMbFNWXcOxaBTWk7L8S =jbPk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
At 8:35 AM -0800 1/23/98, Jonathan Wienke wrote: >Has anyone else heard a "giant sucking sound" from the vicinity of the >White House lately? If that was an intentional pun, a good one. But I had been marveling at how the Clinton troubles were being ignored by the Cypherpunks...I figured we were all so jaded about government and the criminals who flourish in Washington that there was no point in commenting on this latest revelation of corruption. (The apparent perjury, suborning perjury, and witness-tampering, not the affair with Lewinsky, however tawdry it was.) It would have been interesting to see the whole process leading up to Clinton's resignation (next week?) pass without any discussion by us. (Actually, I threw in an aside yesterday about "President Gore," but no one picked up on it.) Personally, I think having a crippled and ineffective President is better than having an activist bozo President Gore, so I'm kind of hoping this whole affairs takes several more months to unwind. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
> (Actually, I threw in an aside yesterday about "President Gore," but no one
> picked up on it.)
I'd wager we all saw it, and couldn't think of anythign clever to say.
Funny thing about all this: In a recent Newsweek a former Congressman who
just got out of jail was talking about how he was disgusted byt the
current Congress. *ALL* they do is posture, they don't even bother going
through the motions of passing legislation. The Congress of the 80s at
least *did* something. (Okay, so it wasn't very useful, or good, but a
Congress that does nothign can't be changed with any effect, one that
actually gets things done once in a while, if persuaded to change a
little, might be a benefit...)
If anyone cares, I might still have that one, I can look up who it was...
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> Personally, I think having a crippled and ineffective President is better
> than having an activist bozo President Gore, so I'm kind of hoping this
> whole affairs takes several more months to unwind.
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> --Tim May
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> The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography
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> Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
> ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
> W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
> Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments.
> "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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Ryan Anderson - Alpha Geek
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At 1:13 AM -0800 1/24/98, Anonymous wrote:
>The more important silence is about the instant sentencing of the
>Unabomber compared to Jim Bell's sentencing. What _is_ happening with
>Jim?
Because it was so utterly obvious that Kaczynski _was_ the Unabomber,
through diaries, physical evidence, his plea bargaining discussions, and
confessions in his other writings, the outcome was a foregone conclusion.
(I thought all the foofaw about whether Kaczynski was the Unabomber or not
was fatuous nonsense...in my world, when you find bomb materials in a home,
with no evidence they were planted there by the FBI or BATF, and you find
diaries and papers and bomb plans, and travel documents match the dates in
question, and on and on, then it is impossible with a straight face to talk
about the issue of guilt still be up in the air....I guess this is why I'll
never be a juror.)
I generally favor having very, very few things made criminal, but having
very, very fast and efficient trials. E.g., a court date set for several
weeks after an arrest, a week-long trial, and execution (if decided upon) a
few weeks later. So, Kaczynski, O.J., the Menendez brothers, and their ilk
would have gotten fast trials and quick trips to the wall.
(For those who think this is inconsistent with anarchist or crypto
anarchist views, reread the sections of "The Diamond Age" where the mugger
was dispatched off the end of the pier. Polycentric law doesn't mean
charade trials which last for a year, with appeals and delays lasting
another 10 years.)
BTW, Kaczynski is apparently no crazier that any number of Cypherpunks I
have met, including myself. Recall that a leading Cypherpunk was suspected
for a while as being the Unabomber.
>I saw that. There are rumors floating about that they have the goods
>on Gore too, his hands are certainly as dirty as Slick Willie's. I'd
Yeah I've read reports that the FBI has surveillance tapes of him taking
bribes ("campaign contributions") from Asian and other donors. With him
implicating the Administration directly. It could well be that this is what
has kept both Louis Freeh and Janet Reno in office: they have the goods on
Clinton and Gore.
I'll say this about Janet Reno: she certainly acted swifty. (Which probably
shows the 20 hours of taped conversations and other evidence is
overwhelming, for Reno to so quickly authorize the attempt to sting the
President.)
Though it was too bad she didn't use Waco tactics and send the tanks in to
send incendiary materials through windows of the White House.
--Tim May
The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography
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Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments.
"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."Tim May <tcmay@got.net> writes: > BTW, Kaczynski is apparently no crazier that any number of Cypherpunks I > have met, including myself. Recall that a leading Cypherpunk was suspected > for a while as being the Unabomber. Never trust a math PhD. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
[TCM] > >BTW, Kaczynski is apparently no crazier that any number of Cypherpunks I >have met, including myself. hee, hee. > Recall that a leading Cypherpunk was suspected >for a while as being the Unabomber. whoa, are you being facetious here or what? would you care to elaborate on that little tidbit?
Tim May <tcmay@got.net> writes: > But I had been marveling at how the Clinton troubles were being ignored by > the Cypherpunks...I figured we were all so jaded about government and the > criminals who flourish in Washington that there was no point in commenting > on this latest revelation of corruption. (The apparent perjury, suborning > perjury, and witness-tampering, not the affair with Lewinsky, however > tawdry it was.) The whole Washington crowd is making itself obsolete and irrelevant. Sure they can cause great problem for an occasional victim, but if you're lucky enough to stay out fo their way, then it doesn't matter if it's criminal Clinton or crimnal Gore or some republican criminal. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
AP, Washington. President Clinton today announced his "Blowjobs for Jobs" program, open to young interns, wealthy socialites, and Hollywood actresses. Clinton denied that this would be either improper behavior, adultery, or abuse of his official powers. "Hell, it ain't adultery, as Hillary would rather have me gettin' my oil changed in the Oval Office bathroom than do it herself, and it ain't abuse, cuz that's why I'm havin' these young thangs do it instead of it doin' it myself. I ain't no prevert." ... At 11:35 AM -0800 1/24/98, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Tim is right to bring this up. It will have immense impact on the issues >the cypherpunks care about. How can Clinton talk about policy proposals >(crypto, Net-taxes, etc.) when his presidency is spiraling away? Well, actually it was Jonathan Wienke who brought it up...I just commented on it. I suppose one reason I hadn't attempted to write anything on it is that there was just SO MUCH STUFF on it. New details are emerging hourly, and we haven't even heard what's on the 20 hours of tape. Yes, it's a massively covered story. Is it overcovered? I don't think so. After all, the election campaign will generate 15 minutes of news coverage on the network news shows each and every day for almost 10 months, so why not this level of coverage for what looks to be the end of Clinton's Presidency? (With all that that implies for further loss of confidence in the democratic system (yay!).) There are some who are steadfastly saying "But Clinton has denied these charges." and "Let's wait until all the details come out." These folks appear to be either in denial or are just going through the motions. A vast amount of interesting evidence is accumulating, giving support to various serious charges. If they are roughly as we are hearing, modulo some possibly miscommunicated details, then Clinton and others are in deep shit. (Perjury, subornation of perjury, witness tampering, obstruction of justice, and possibly offering Lewinsky and others jobs if they'll lie, itself a misuse of office.) I could go on, mentioning all the various news items. (I get CNN, CNBC, all the usual networks, MSNBC, Fox News, and so on, so there is a vast amount of news and analysis I hear.) >At the daily press briefing yesterday, McCurry tried to talk about some >welfare plan or something. Whatever. Doesn't matter what it was; I don't >remember -- point is you don't see it on the front page of newspapers today. I watched this live. McCurry is clearly not being informed on details. (Which he's probably just as happy about, as elsewise he could be subpoenaed as a material witness.) >Note the grand jury is set to meet next Tues, not coincidentally, the day >of the SoUA. A week ago everyone was scrambling to find out what was going >to be in it. Nobody cares anymore. I may sit in on it in the press gallery >just to see the dynamic and hear the catcalls. It is a feeding frenzy, that much is for sure. But it's having the effect of triggering more revelations...like the oral sex. phone sex, four other women, etc. revelations. (Hey, when those tapes of Clinton having phone sex with Lewinsky come out...no pun intended...those will be heady times, snicker snicker.) >Where I work, most of the folks are liberals. Before this week, they lent >scant credence to Paula Jones etc. -- the previous Bimbo Eruptions. This >time is different. This time there is serious talk of impeachment: what the >legal standards are, what the Republicans are doing on the Hill, what this >means for Gore. > >This time, it's for real. Yep. He's going down. (No pun intended, as it appears the "servicing" of him in the White House was strictly in the other direction. Clinton and his "Blowjobs for Jobs" program.) --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
On Fri, Jan 23, 1998 at 06:30:27PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > At 8:35 AM -0800 1/23/98, Jonathan Wienke wrote: > > >Has anyone else heard a "giant sucking sound" from the vicinity of the > >White House lately? > > If that was an intentional pun, a good one. > > But I had been marveling at how the Clinton troubles were being ignored by > the Cypherpunks...I figured we were all so jaded about government and the > criminals who flourish in Washington that there was no point in commenting > on this latest revelation of corruption. (The apparent perjury, suborning > perjury, and witness-tampering, not the affair with Lewinsky, however > tawdry it was.) > > It would have been interesting to see the whole process leading up to > Clinton's resignation (next week?) pass without any discussion by us. > > (Actually, I threw in an aside yesterday about "President Gore," but no one > picked up on it.) > > Personally, I think having a crippled and ineffective President is better > than having an activist bozo President Gore, so I'm kind of hoping this > whole affairs takes several more months to unwind. Tim has missed the most important part of this whole episode: the fact that Linda Tripp was wearing a wire, and apparently working for the FBI. Think for a moment about the position this puts what's his name in -- you know, the guy who's name begins with an "F", who works for Janet Reno... In fact I am amazed that cp's in general haven't picked up on the potential significance of this. Think back to just a few short weeks ago, when Freeh and Reno had their little spat... What do you think about congressional resistance to wiretaps, in light of current events? -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html
At 06:30 PM 1/23/98 -0800, Tim May wrote: >But I had been marveling at how the Clinton troubles were being ignored by >the Cypherpunks...I figured we were all so jaded about government and the >criminals who flourish in Washington that there was no point in commenting >on this latest revelation of corruption. (The apparent perjury, suborning >perjury, and witness-tampering, not the affair with Lewinsky, however >tawdry it was.) I was talking to Hugh yesterday, and he asked if I'd heard the big news - no, not Clinton's sex scandal, the important news, about the Netscape browser source code being freed :-) (This was before the news on the Unabomber confession broke.) >(Actually, I threw in an aside yesterday about "President Gore," but no one >picked up on it.) If the Democrats think Clinton's going down anyway, they're probably better off having him resign now and give Gore a couple years in office, since he'll probably be re-elected if the economy stays strong (probable) and if the Republicans don't come up with a useful candidate (probable); if he has to be Vice-Clinton for two more years, he's got minimal chance of election even if the Republicans come out with another bozo, because Gore will be more tainted and still just waterboy. >Personally, I think having a crippled and ineffective President is better >than having an activist bozo President Gore, so I'm kind of hoping this >whole affairs takes several more months to unwind. Yeah - especially since President Gore would have to start off by Doing Something to get some positive momentum, and it would probably be doing something bad to the Internet. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 06:30 PM 1/23/98 -0800, Tim May wrote: >At 8:35 AM -0800 1/23/98, Jonathan Wienke wrote: > >>Has anyone else heard a "giant sucking sound" from the vicinity of the >>White House lately? > >If that was an intentional pun, a good one. It just goes to show Ross Perot was half right ;) It wasn't coming from Mexico because of NAFTA; it was coming (heheh he said coming, Beavis!) from Clinton's bimbos in action! Maybe he could sell the videotapes, and apply the proceeds to reducing the deficit...X-rated stuff is a growth industry lately. >But I had been marveling at how the Clinton troubles were being ignored by >the Cypherpunks...I figured we were all so jaded about government and the >criminals who flourish in Washington that there was no point in commenting >on this latest revelation of corruption. (The apparent perjury, suborning >perjury, and witness-tampering, not the affair with Lewinsky, however >tawdry it was.) Oddly similar to Watergate--the break-in was not a big deal, but the cover up was. >Personally, I think having a crippled and ineffective President is better >than having an activist bozo President Gore, so I'm kind of hoping this >whole affairs takes several more months to unwind. I'd like to see the Asian money connection established sufficiently well that Boinker and the Tree-man get hauled off in handcuffs together. Hmmm...Boinker And The Tree-Man...sounds like one of those sucky late-'60s folk rock groups...or else a really bad Saturday morning catroon...ummm cartoon. It's late and my rationality module keeps throwing this really odd GPF... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQA/AwUBNMmz6MJF0kXqpw3MEQLdsQCfaZhvrJSacH2MrT7lyAhCFhtfilIAn3ub 2xUzK8M6v/cOk8w+FTy4D9ke =HEAN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Tim is right to bring this up. It will have immense impact on the issues the cypherpunks care about. How can Clinton talk about policy proposals (crypto, Net-taxes, etc.) when his presidency is spiraling away? At the daily press briefing yesterday, McCurry tried to talk about some welfare plan or something. Whatever. Doesn't matter what it was; I don't remember -- point is you don't see it on the front page of newspapers today. Note the grand jury is set to meet next Tues, not coincidentally, the day of the SoUA. A week ago everyone was scrambling to find out what was going to be in it. Nobody cares anymore. I may sit in on it in the press gallery just to see the dynamic and hear the catcalls. Where I work, most of the folks are liberals. Before this week, they lent scant credence to Paula Jones etc. -- the previous Bimbo Eruptions. This time is different. This time there is serious talk of impeachment: what the legal standards are, what the Republicans are doing on the Hill, what this means for Gore. This time, it's for real. -Declan At 18:30 -0800 1/23/98, Tim May wrote: >At 8:35 AM -0800 1/23/98, Jonathan Wienke wrote: > >>Has anyone else heard a "giant sucking sound" from the vicinity of the >>White House lately? > >If that was an intentional pun, a good one. > >But I had been marveling at how the Clinton troubles were being ignored by >the Cypherpunks...I figured we were all so jaded about government and the >criminals who flourish in Washington that there was no point in commenting >on this latest revelation of corruption. (The apparent perjury, suborning >perjury, and witness-tampering, not the affair with Lewinsky, however >tawdry it was.) > >It would have been interesting to see the whole process leading up to >Clinton's resignation (next week?) pass without any discussion by us. > >(Actually, I threw in an aside yesterday about "President Gore," but no one >picked up on it.) > >Personally, I think having a crippled and ineffective President is better >than having an activist bozo President Gore, so I'm kind of hoping this >whole affairs takes several more months to unwind. > >--Tim May > > > >The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. >"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Note the grand jury is set to meet next Tues, not coincidentally, the day > of the SoUA. A week ago everyone was scrambling to find out what was going > to be in it. Nobody cares anymore. I may sit in on it in the press gallery > just to see the dynamic and hear the catcalls. If there is one day I'd stay away from that building it is during the SoUA... :-) -- Lucky Green <shamrock@cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"